Relic News - 6.45

**Theodric** · 05-02-2023 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by Saraide

I prefer roulettes over fates tbh.

...and yet you get your roulette fix whenever you so wish, they're not going anywhere. When exactly are those of us who want something different to roulettes meant to get actual content, then? The tomestone event currently live also revolves around roulettes.

Maybe the player population and retention for players who do more than hang around in venues isn't very solid and so this is a cynical attempt to desperately try and breathe new life into roulette queues. Even as they continue to update the bulk of the game to be completed solo style.

**Stormpeaks** · 05-02-2023 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by Saraide

I prefer roulettes over fates tbh.

You can already do roulettes whenever you wish, roulettes are all this game is about (and they are the most damn boring thing, as if having 2 spells to use in a low level dungeon is fun and entertaining), what about the people that want something else ?

**Saraide** · 05-02-2023 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You can already do roulettes whenever you wish, roulettes are all this game is about (and they are the most damn boring thing, as if having 2 spells to use in a low level dungeon is fun and entertaining), what about the people that want something else ?

Originally Posted by Theodric

...and yet you get your roulette fix whenever you so wish, they're not going anywhere. When exactly are those of us who want something different to roulettes meant to get actual content, then? The tomestone event currently live also revolves around roulettes.

Maybe the player population and retention for players who do more than hang around in venues isn't very solid and so this is a cynical attempt to desperately try and breathe new life into roulette queues. Even as they continue to update the bulk of the game to be completed solo style.

The same can be said about fates. You can farm bicolour gemstones rigth now.

Originally Posted by LianaThorne

But that would require people to actually want to grind rather than auto-pilot through roulettes before going back to their respective RP hubs to afk/jerk off.

Apologies if that offends anyone but as someone who actually enjoys working hard for relics, this feels like a slap in the face.

You can not seriously imply that grinding fates isnt a complete auto-pilot business. If anything it's even worse auto-piloting than roulettes.

**LianaThorne** · 05-02-2023 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Saraide

The same can be said about fates. You can farm bicolour gemstones rigth now.

You can not seriously imply that grinding fates isnt a complete auto-pilot business. If anything it's even worse auto-piloting than roulettes.

My opinion but I feel doing FATEs with some form of RNG attached to it is more engaging than doing the same dailies that we do every day. It felt like more effort was involved than the gutted version of a relic grind we have now where everything is basically handed to you. If that's fun or rewarding enough for you, cool. Go enjoy it. Let the rest of us voice the valid complaints we have. For me, it's incredibly boring and is honestly making me consider just going full force on savage for next tier just to avoid doing it, which is really sad as relics were/are my favorite part of the game.

I'm also just irritated in general that it was said this grind would be similar to HWs and none of that has really come to fruition. When I think of HW, I don't think of exchanging tomestomes for every single step.

**Boblawblah** · 05-02-2023 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Theodric

Why not at least tie it to bicolour gemstones and encourage the open world to become active again? It's honestly jarring to see how empty it is when compared to other MMO's on the market.

+1, I'd be for this kind of thing. It would be nice to see the open world have more reason to be there.

**LianaThorne** · 05-02-2023 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by Theodric

Why not at least tie it to bicolour gemstones and encourage the open world to become active again? It's honestly jarring to see how empty it is when compared to other MMO's on the market.

But that would require people to actually want to grind rather than auto-pilot through roulettes before going back to their respective RP hubs to afk/jerk off.

Apologies if that offends anyone but as someone who actually enjoys working hard for relics, this feels like a slap in the face.

**Daeriion_Aeradiir** · 05-02-2023 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Apologies if that offends anyone but as someone who actually enjoys working hard for relics, this feels like a slap in the face.

>Implying that any relic sans the original 2.0 ARR relic that involved Hard mode primals had you working hard.

The term you're looking for is 'time consuming / random for the sake of slowing progression and not for any kind of actual challenge.' Plenty of the steps of old relics are even more monotonous than grinding tomes are. Jumping between two different FATEs in Outer la noscea killing two bosses that had absolutely zero chance to kill you to get that atma of the lion with a massive horde of players zerging them was truly engaging content.

Or spamming the exact same instance 1000x because it's the 'optimal' route was truly riveting. Least with the current relic you could challenge yourself to entirely farm the 1500 tomes entirely off of extreme trials & savage new player bonuses if you wanted to make this relic chain the hardest relic chain ever.

**LianaThorne** · 05-02-2023 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

>Implying that any relic sans the original 2.0 ARR relic that involved Hard mode primals had you working hard.

The term you're looking for is 'time consuming / random for the sake of slowing progression and not for any kind of actual challenge.' Plenty of the steps of old relics are even more monotonous than grinding tomes are. Jumping between two different FATEs in Outer la noscea killing two bosses that had absolutely zero chance to kill you to get that atma of the lion with a massive horde of players zerging them was truly engaging content.

Or spamming the exact same instance 1000x because it's the 'optimal' route was truly riveting. Least with the current relic you could challenge yourself to entirely farm the 1500 tomes entirely off of extreme trials & savage new player bonuses if you wanted to make this relic chain the hardest relic chain ever.

Dunno what to tell you, I enjoyed the ARR grind. I just like that type of progression. *shrug*

**Shougun** · 05-03-2023 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Theodric

Why not at least tie it to bicolour gemstones and encourage the open world to become active again? It's honestly jarring to see how empty it is when compared to other MMO's on the market.

That would have been interesting. Would have benefit me trying to max rank them for sure lol. Some zones I did when things were popular but now just for the bicolor alone, while alone.. its like 'meh'... if I could earn a relic at the same time it would definitely sweeten the deal.

Though since FATEs slow down a lot when not hot, unlike tomes, a slight nerf at the end would be nice.. and while I don't mind tomes in the end due to ease of access against content that might die.. it does feel like jumping to the end of the story just to start there lol.

Would have been neat to see such a thing cause enhancements too, say if they used the overworld FATE system they might consider adding and modifying the FATEs for mechanical diversity (have some more monster hunter like FATEs in the open). Potentially further lore to the area, etc. Relic comes around and makes an existing zone more interesting.

Was kind if surprised they didn't use some Golden Saucer content (in conjuction with some other content, like say even bicolor gems) and or the V&C, they fit theme and such.

**Zanarkand-Ronso** · 05-03-2023 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Theodric

Why not at least tie it to bicolour gemstones and encourage the open world to become active again? It's honestly jarring to see how empty it is when compared to other MMO's on the market.

I dont care about other MMOs, because they are different, and Im not playing them.
But no, I actually agree with this idea myself. Bring Relevance to the BiColor Gems, which would also bring some activity to the open world as well.

If there is 1 thing Id love them to learn from the forums at this time that they could take into 7.0, it would be to make attempts to make the Open World more Relevant and engaging.
People complain about FATE grinds...but hey, it made people get out there for a while. Same with Bluemage.
I think we could use more of that. Only ever time this is a thing is if they Tie a FATE to a Annual Event. Which is cute, but its 1 and Done and the Open World is barren again.

Sensible Crap like this is why I dont completly write you guys off.

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