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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    Blizzard 2 was very much used by SCHs at the level cap in ARR and HW up until it’s removal, I don’t think I have any old recordings left now but the best DPS for SCH was dotting and baneing on pull as many times as you could, then shadowflare into blizz 2 spam once the tank planted. In HW SCH could handily out DPS WHM in dungeons this way.
    Right, but the comparison was WHM abilities in ARR vs EW, not SCH.

    SPECIFICALLY, WHM, because it has only 1 less damage spell now than it had then. SCH is a case everyone already agrees on because it had SO MANY more it's not even a point of contention. It's why we aren't mentioning Aero 1, because we're talking about WHM not SCH...because SCH is so obviously deficient now vs ARR that we all openly agree on that point.

    It's why even my position on this point is "Give SCH back its SB toolkit".

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    EDIT: To make the point clear:

    SCH in EW:

    Broil IV
    Biolysis
    Ruin 2 (seldom used since Broil doesn't take up the whole GCD anymore)
    Energy Drain
    Art of War

    SCH in SB:

    Broil 2
    Bio
    Bio 2 (I think?)
    Miasma
    Miasma 2 (once readded in...4.1?)
    Energy Drain
    Bane
    Shadow Flare (oGCD with a CD)

    ...I may be missing one or two more.

    SCH in ARR (Cross-Class!):

    Ruin
    Ruin 2 (instant cast, so had a separate use case unlike Stone 1/2)
    Bio
    Miasma
    Shadow Flare (castable/spamable, but only this or Soil could be up at a time)
    Energy Drain
    Bane
    Aero (Cross-Class)
    Thunder (2.0 only)
    Blizzard 2 (different use-case than Shadow Flare)

    ...probably something I'm forgetting.

    Contrast:

    WHM in EW:

    Glare III
    Dia
    Assize
    Afflatus* Misery [Solace/Rapture (debatable as attacks, but they do take up the GCD and feed into Misery being cast), so I'm just calling this slot "Afflatus" since it's "four of this category per minute"]
    Holy

    WHM in ARR:

    Stone 2 (again, Stone 1 was redundant)
    Aero
    Aero 2
    Fluid Aura
    Holy
    Blizzard 2* [Which, again, doesn't count because WHMs didn't use it AND Holy; leveling they used Blizzard 2 if they had unlocked it, once they got Holy, they swapped over to it, including level cap content in almost all cases.]



    Note that this is almost a 1-to-1 between WHM in ARR and WHM in EW. Blizzard 2, as noted, doesn't count at level cap because WHMs didn't use it since Holy was strictly better unless you were OOM, in which case you'd probably cut back your DPSing anyway. The main differences between ARR and EW WHM are not in number of buttons, but in frequency of use for Aero, Aero 2, and Fluid Aura since they had shorter durations (CD for FA) than Dia, Afflatus, and Assize.
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    Last edited by Renathras; 04-28-2023 at 10:01 AM. Reason: Marked with EDIT