A summary of healer issues

[MaxCarnage]

Have you... not paid any attention to the forums besides general discussion since EW dropped? The whole reason why there's people clamouring about the "2 minute meta" is because that homogenization started to effect DPS.

I visited the healer forums once. It was an echo chamber of salt. And when I dared speak my own opinion about how I liked healer as it is now, they got extremely vitriolic. So why would I pay attention to anything other than general discussion, which has arguably less vitriol.

[AnotherPerson]

Ahem, not to put too fine a point on it but...have you looked at your profile lately on Lodestone? It seems unsearchable on the forbidden site, but I don't see Savage clear mounts or Extreme mounts under that Mount tab. Easy to cast stones when you make it where others can't verify how you stack up to your own standard... <_<

You... uh.. you might not realize this, but while he's a troll on the forums and have multiple alts, he actually is one of the more accomplished high-end raiders who also happens to parse like a monster (better than most players too). It isn't all the time he drops pretense when trolling, but when he does have a serious conversation, you realize he is also aware to the issues that plague FFXIV gameplay.

I visited the healer forums once. It was an echo chamber of salt. And when I dared speak my own opinion about how I liked healer as it is now, they got extremely vitriolic. So why would I pay attention to anything other than general discussion, which has arguably less vitriol.

Unsurprisingly, really. Can you imagine if Samurais lost more than Kaiten, their entire rotation just became 3 buttons instead of 7 for single target as well as removing Kaiten? And while most people are still upset at the changes, then someone goes into the DPS forum like "Yeah, I Love the current Samurai!" It has only been... what? Less than 1 expansion since Samurais lost only Kaiten and the forums were in chaos for a while. And yet this isn't even for the entire DPS role, it was just 1 job where plenty of Samurai threads popped up. Healers had their issues start from Stormblood (2 expansions ago) with a large portion of their toolkit just deleted from existence, so it's no surprise the vitriol only accumulated after lots of healers tried the gameplay out, did not like it, and had their feedback ignored to change it.

Don't get me wrong, I can see the potential beauty of 1 button DPS in ShB. It gives a lot of room to pay attention to boss mechanics and to keep track of HP bars for healers who aren't great at multi-tasking. However, any potential that playstyle had shattered for me in Endwalker's implementation. When HP bars don't move significantly or frequently enough for a long period of time, I absolutely abhor the 1 button DPS gameplay because I don't feel engaged or feel like a healer. It's not feasible to also just increase damage for healers to heal because there are healers who won't be able to keep up, yet they aren't willing to give healers that ability other than mashing the same DPS button for the entire fight when healers can handle pretty much all healing with just using their instant abilities. It's just a lose-lose for healer gameplay at every turn lately.
So here we are, some players are still struggling to heal effectively in casual content by relying mainly on their weakest/outdated skills instead of using the shiny new ones, causing players demanding healers to be easier, but you also have a WAR that can just heal themselves and the party while the healer remains dead on the floor ... It's almost inconceivable at what the state of healers have been reduced to with how little their main role contributes when players are wholly competent, and how little they can do anything else when it happens.
Keep healers accessible on the healing side since that's their main role sure, but don't take away their toolkit and leave nothing else in return once they get accustomed to healing and realize there's nothing else for them to do when the party also have ways to keep themselves alive.

[IDontPetLalas]

I visited the healer forums once. It was an echo chamber of salt. And when I dared speak my own opinion about how I liked healer as it is now, they got extremely vitriolic. So why would I pay attention to anything other than general discussion, which has arguably less vitriol.

That does make for a cool story. However, and I would fortunately, forum history says that some memories of your past experiences in the healer forum may differ.

[Renathras]

I visited the healer forums once. It was an echo chamber of salt. And when I dared speak my own opinion about how I liked healer as it is now, they got extremely vitriolic. So why would I pay attention to anything other than general discussion, which has arguably less vitriol.

This is a pretty unfortunate truth about the Healer forum. But I think it's why it's that way. I'm like the only person that consistently pokes the bear in there by having a different opinion. Most other people come in, get absolutely dumped on, and leave. But because they do, the majority thinks they represent everyone and keep doing it. When I point out they drive people away, so they aren't a true majority, they're a toxic echo chamber, they just...well, dump on me more, but I'm used to it at this point, I guess? XD

We really could use more dissenting voices in there, though.

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It has less vitriol because the more acidic users left. This place was literally Dead Ends’ Judgment Day a year ago.

It's...still pretty bad.

[OdinelStarrei]

This is a pretty unfortunate truth about the Healer forum. But I think it's why it's that way. I'm like the only person that consistently pokes the bear in there by having a different opinion. Most other people come in, get absolutely dumped on, and leave. But because they do, the majority thinks they represent everyone and keep doing it. When I point out they drive people away, so they aren't a true majority, they're a toxic echo chamber, they just...well, dump on me more, but I'm used to it at this point, I guess? XD

We really could use more dissenting voices in there, though.

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It's...still pretty bad.

Dude, what are you talking about? If you go to NASA, try to proclaim that the world is flat, and that everyone who doesn't agree is stuck in a toxic echo-chamber for calling you out, you're not portraying ANY side properly.

Having a different opinion from the majority does not inherently give said opinion more individual value. There is no debate left to be had, nor is there any need to be one! Who gives a shit if they are pushing people away from this miserable cesspool, particularly when we're a pointless minority anyway? The design of the entire combat system is not going to bend to appease some over-dedicated players on the forums. Nothing they do matters! If the developers would come on here and directly tell each and everyone one of us thanks for the money, now get out and stop asking for the SAME things we've been asking for four years, they would if they didn't have the PR fallout to worry about.


Healers are NOT changing! Tanks are NOT changing! The reality that that Class forums want for this game will NEVER happen! Our "opinions" are WORTHLESS. Why isn't that simple fact good enough? There is no need for a dissenting voice for players who are CONVINCED Square Enix has wronged them! The reality and hopelessness of the situation in their minds is loud enough without chucklenut #67032 saying "Actually it's fine, your experience is irrelevant". Just let us be miserable!

Now, all that said, I also know where you are coming from about being the jaded old guard of a game who has witnessed the very fundamentals of the game you love, change into something you despise. I am genuinely sorry that happened. It sucks. I wasn't around pre Shadowbringers, so i dont know what the game was like back then but im very sorry you seem to feel like youve had a hobby that you love taken away from you. I dont want that for you or anyone. But I would be lying if I said I wasn't here for it. I regret that what I want for the game doesn't match up with what so many others do. But im still here for it.

I'm going to keep this for reference for every single time I think about coming back here, and try to get as many of my miserable friends that are left out of this game as possible. I am so sick of seeing them so unhappy. Our game is gone. At the very least, you acknowledged there were losers in this. Goddamn, I lost so much. I should have never started playing FFXIV.

[Sebazy]

I visited the healer forums once. It was an echo chamber of salt. And when I dared speak my own opinion about how I liked healer as it is now, they got extremely vitriolic. So why would I pay attention to anything other than general discussion, which has arguably less vitriol.

You mean the thread where you tried to call my factual and verifiable math 'anecdotal' despite having zero personal experience in said content or era?

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5685240

I guess simply correcting you is extremely vitriolic now

If you want a great example of how low the healer skill ceiling is right now. I just landed a 94 percentile damage in non BiS gear running Lapis with only GCD heals (Basically Regen and Lilies). It's just beyond a joke now.

People managed just fine when content, like Titan HM and early AK was the norm. Now the devs and player base are equally terrified of even the merest hint of failure even though there's barely any consequences for it.

Personally I find playing healer is pretty fun, focus targeting a DPS, hitting Nascent flash and being able to get both their and my own HP to max in a few attacks feels pretty good.
I don't get why people don't like playing healer, Its pretty satisfying.

Best comment of the thread tbh++