A summary of healer issues

[Zeastria]

AT this point they should just remove dps abilites on all healers,
add massive amount of dmg on every content ( remove selfheal from dps/tank).. i mean dmg 24/7 --> so all that healers do is to heal/buff/mid..
So the dps wannabe healers can go back to dps ..and cry there.

[MaxCarnage]

Healers, just as tanks and DPS, are homogenized because you are able to play every class. They keep each category of class relatively the same style so that people can interchange which of each role they play.

I see a lot of complaints about healer homogenization, but never of tank homogenization or really DPS, either.

And a lot of the complaints come from "healer is boring and they're all the same".

I personally love playing healer. I switched to being a healer main after almost 2 years of DPS because I found it more engaging. I actually have to pay attention and it matters more if I know the fights. I honestly have no idea where this "healers don't have to heal and they're optional" comes from. Because let me tell you, 90% of DF groups I get, the party eats avoidable damage like it's candy. Human error happens. Often. So how is it these people say they never have to heal?

Unless these people complaining are the same people who claim that swiftcast is for glare/malefic/whatever the other two are only and refuse to hardcast a rez because it's a dps loss.

Edit: or they're the healer in an 8-man that makes their co-healer do all the healing.

[Saraide]

I see a lot of complaints about healer homogenization, but never of tank homogenization or really DPS, either.

Really? You never saw people complaining how similar warrior and dark knight are?

[VentVanitas]

I see a lot of complaints about healer homogenization, but never of tank homogenization or really DPS, either.

Have you... not paid any attention to the forums besides general discussion since EW dropped? The whole reason why there's people clamouring about the "2 minute meta" is because that homogenization started to effect DPS.

[kyyninen_kirahvi]

It would also be nice if there would be incentives to use more of the healing actions. I got worryingly far with medica 2 and cure 2/afflatus spam, before I decided to find out how else I could heal.

Didn't YoshiP and the other play testers change the healer player because they got too good?

[MaxCarnage]

Really? You never saw people complaining how similar warrior and dark knight are?

Legitimately no. All I've seen in regards to tanks is people complaining that DRK has the highest learning curve and that they suck to heal. And that WAR mits need a nerf.

[MaxCarnage]

Have you... not paid any attention to the forums besides general discussion since EW dropped? The whole reason why there's people clamouring about the "2 minute meta" is because that homogenization started to effect DPS.

I visited the healer forums once. It was an echo chamber of salt. And when I dared speak my own opinion about how I liked healer as it is now, they got extremely vitriolic. So why would I pay attention to anything other than general discussion, which has arguably less vitriol.

[AnotherPerson]

Ahem, not to put too fine a point on it but...have you looked at your profile lately on Lodestone? It seems unsearchable on the forbidden site, but I don't see Savage clear mounts or Extreme mounts under that Mount tab. Easy to cast stones when you make it where others can't verify how you stack up to your own standard... <_<

You... uh.. you might not realize this, but while he's a troll on the forums and have multiple alts, he actually is one of the more accomplished high-end raiders who also happens to parse like a monster (better than most players too). It isn't all the time he drops pretense when trolling, but when he does have a serious conversation, you realize he is also aware to the issues that plague FFXIV gameplay.

I visited the healer forums once. It was an echo chamber of salt. And when I dared speak my own opinion about how I liked healer as it is now, they got extremely vitriolic. So why would I pay attention to anything other than general discussion, which has arguably less vitriol.

Unsurprisingly, really. Can you imagine if Samurais lost more than Kaiten, their entire rotation just became 3 buttons instead of 7 for single target as well as removing Kaiten? And while most people are still upset at the changes, then someone goes into the DPS forum like "Yeah, I Love the current Samurai!" It has only been... what? Less than 1 expansion since Samurais lost only Kaiten and the forums were in chaos for a while. And yet this isn't even for the entire DPS role, it was just 1 job where plenty of Samurai threads popped up. Healers had their issues start from Stormblood (2 expansions ago) with a large portion of their toolkit just deleted from existence, so it's no surprise the vitriol only accumulated after lots of healers tried the gameplay out, did not like it, and had their feedback ignored to change it.

Don't get me wrong, I can see the potential beauty of 1 button DPS in ShB. It gives a lot of room to pay attention to boss mechanics and to keep track of HP bars for healers who aren't great at multi-tasking. However, any potential that playstyle had shattered for me in Endwalker's implementation. When HP bars don't move significantly or frequently enough for a long period of time, I absolutely abhor the 1 button DPS gameplay because I don't feel engaged or feel like a healer. It's not feasible to also just increase damage for healers to heal because there are healers who won't be able to keep up, yet they aren't willing to give healers that ability other than mashing the same DPS button for the entire fight when healers can handle pretty much all healing with just using their instant abilities. It's just a lose-lose for healer gameplay at every turn lately.
So here we are, some players are still struggling to heal effectively in casual content by relying mainly on their weakest/outdated skills instead of using the shiny new ones, causing players demanding healers to be easier, but you also have a WAR that can just heal themselves and the party while the healer remains dead on the floor ... It's almost inconceivable at what the state of healers have been reduced to with how little their main role contributes when players are wholly competent, and how little they can do anything else when it happens.
Keep healers accessible on the healing side since that's their main role sure, but don't take away their toolkit and leave nothing else in return once they get accustomed to healing and realize there's nothing else for them to do when the party also have ways to keep themselves alive.

[IDontPetLalas]

I visited the healer forums once. It was an echo chamber of salt. And when I dared speak my own opinion about how I liked healer as it is now, they got extremely vitriolic. So why would I pay attention to anything other than general discussion, which has arguably less vitriol.

That does make for a cool story. However, and I would fortunately, forum history says that some memories of your past experiences in the healer forum may differ.

[Renathras]

I visited the healer forums once. It was an echo chamber of salt. And when I dared speak my own opinion about how I liked healer as it is now, they got extremely vitriolic. So why would I pay attention to anything other than general discussion, which has arguably less vitriol.

This is a pretty unfortunate truth about the Healer forum. But I think it's why it's that way. I'm like the only person that consistently pokes the bear in there by having a different opinion. Most other people come in, get absolutely dumped on, and leave. But because they do, the majority thinks they represent everyone and keep doing it. When I point out they drive people away, so they aren't a true majority, they're a toxic echo chamber, they just...well, dump on me more, but I'm used to it at this point, I guess? XD

We really could use more dissenting voices in there, though.

EDIT:

It has less vitriol because the more acidic users left. This place was literally Dead Ends’ Judgment Day a year ago.

It's...still pretty bad.