We lost 70% of our player base half a year in

[Ranaku]

Even if we look at the steamcharts for whatever reason...the game is doing incredible well and constantly manages to have more players in content droughts even than it had on the last expansion at peak times.

Also what OP there did was really really manipulative, they didn't go for the peak or average they picked two days out with the highest and lowest number and called it a day. Which is really disingenuous.

Launch peaked at around 100k while every patch peaks at around 50k which is just normal cause every new expansion launch generates a massive amount of hype. Average player count at patch months is 27k and then over the months it goes down to 18k and then with a new patch up again. This is just a healthy cycle and not the doom and gloom OP is screaming about. That we lost 70% of the playerbase is simply and utterly a lie to just stir the forum up.

So yeah guys, look at the steamcharts. Cause they tell a completely different story to what OP is saying.

If you really want the truth: XIV has now in content luls and patchmonths more players than it had at Shadowbringer release. And Shadowbringers had the same compared to Stormblood. This is a steady growth we are seeing and i suspect that the next expansion will have more players at patch months than Endwalker had at release. Cause so far that is the constant trend for the game since it came out, it just grew and still grows.

[Stormpeaks]

Even if we look at the steamcharts for whatever reason...the game is doing incredible well and constantly manages to have more players in content droughts even than it had on the last expansion at peak times.

Also what OP there did was really really manipulative, they didn't go for the peak or average they picked two days out with the highest and lowest number and called it a day. Which is really disingenuous.

Launch peaked at around 100k while every patch peaks at around 50k which is just normal cause every new expansion launch generates a massive amount of hype. Average player count at patch months is 27k and then over the months it goes down to 18k and then with a new patch up again. This is just a healthy cycle and not the doom and gloom OP is screaming about. That we lost 70% of the playerbase is simply and utterly a lie to just stir the forum up.

So yeah guys, look at the steamcharts. Cause they tell a completely different story to what OP is saying.

If you really want the truth: XIV has now in content luls and patchmonths more players than it had at Shadowbringer release. And Shadowbringers had the same compared to Stormblood. This is a steady growth we are seeing and i suspect that the next expansion will have more players at patch months than Endwalker had at release. Cause so far that is the constant trend for the game since it came out, it just grew and still grows.

God the coping is strong with this one, here's another "the game is thriving" "the game is growing" lmao

The amount of copium from the very few people in every single thread about FFXIV losing players is absolutely comical, keep it coming, and keep thinking the game is "thriving and growing" as its not even managing to keep the actual players and do player retention more than a week after a new patch is out (if even a week)

[Ranaku]

God the coping is strong with this one, here's another "the game is thriving" "the game is growing" lmao

The amount of copium from the very few people in every single thread about FFXIV losing players is absolutely comical, keep it coming, and keep thinking the game is "thriving and growing" as its not even managing to keep the actual players and do player retention more than a week after a new patch is out (if even a week)

I mean, look at the steamcharts! That's what you guys argument with. Don't come to me and complain when it backfires.

But i do understand that the truth really hurts, especially when delivered by fact checking your silly little arguments which are based on lies and deception.

[Stormpeaks]

I mean, look at the steamcharts! That's what you guys argument with. Don't come to me and complain when it backfires.

Oh I am looking at them alright, but you are absolutely blinded by copium so I wont bother, might as well talk to Gemina if I'd do that, yes the game is absolutely thriving blah blah blah, that's why when you log in, literally everyone is afk in cities barely 2 weeks into the patch, people sitting in Limsa all day long doing absolutely nothing, a barely alive PF except on extra peak times or on weekends, and the fact most people would rather do ERP or go to venues because the game has absolutely nothing to offer aside from that since every time they try and add content to the game "then I have to actually spend time in the game and do content !!!!", that's because the game is absolutely thriving, people actually have to make their own fun by going to venue or doing ERP because else they'd just outright quit, what a great selling point, you really got me there

Also lol @lies and deception, okay my dude, you keep thinking this game is in great health if you want to, and enjoy your 5 months paced content, because that's all you're going to get, thankfully you have 5 months to get that hype going, woooo such hype, content barely 3 times a year if even, yay

[Ranaku]

Oh I am looking at them alright, but you are absolutely blinded by copium so I wont bother, might as well talk to Gemina if I'd do that, yes the game is absolutely thriving blah blah blah, that's why when you log in, literally everyone is afk in cities barely 2 weeks into the patch, people sitting in Limsa all day long doing absolutely nothing, a barely alive PF except on extra peak times or on weekends, and the fact most people would rather do ERP or go to venues because the game has absolutely nothing to offer aside from that since every time they try and add content to the game "then I have to actually spend time in the game and do content !!!!", that's because the game is absolutely thriving, people actually have to make their own fun by going to venue or doing ERP because else they'd just outright quit, what a great selling point, you really got me there

We do not talk about the offered content here though, we talk about raw player numbers and growth. I myself am really not that satisfied with EW and i think the content could be better. But that is a opinion for another thread and i voiced my displeasure in other threads about the story or how they butcher jobs and whatnot. Criterion was also a real disappointment for me personally. And ofc we don't talk about Island Sanctuary...

But here i just expose a lying troll who wants to deceive people. OP i mean, not you.

[hunkygladiator]

I don't even care that much what people think but I just love that after 38 pages these "statistics experts" still fail to counter the literal third post of this thread on page 1.

Consider the data-generating process

Y = f(X, U), where Y is the probability of attrition depending on observables and unobservables X and U. If after estimating f (through a probit or logit model etc) on some random and balanced subset of data Z you get an attrition rate of 70%, then the prediction of the global attrition rate based on f-bar has an expected value of 70%, and this is a consistent and unbiased prediction as long as the estimator is consistent and unbiased. Even if this subsample is imbalanced, it will take a lot for the global attrition rate to actually be 40% or some much lower number. You can easily run simulations to prove this.

No one in this entire thread proved that Steam players are sufficiently different from regular FF14 players such that the subsample is imbalanced enough that any inference on the global attrition rate is off significantly.

[Stormpeaks]

We do not talk about the offered content here though, we talk about raw player numbers and growth. I myself am really not that satisfied with EW and i think the content could be better. But that is a opinion for another thread and i voiced my displeasure in other threads about the story or how they butcher jobs and whatnot. Criterion was also a real disappointment for me personally. And ofc we don't talk about Island Sanctuary...

But here i just expose a lying troll who wants to deceive people. OP i mean, not you.

Misunderstood the part about lies and deception, thought you meant me, nevermind, however my point stands that the game is not in a "growing" and "thriving" state, its stable at best, going downwards trend wise, a game that is "thriving" right now and is constantly thriving is CS:GO, it had a constant flow of new players in the past 6+ months, that is a thriving game, while FFXIV barely manages to keep the same numbers, if it even does, and no, they are not the same genre of course, the point was just that a game that is thriving has upwards trends, not downwards, a game struggling to retain the same amount of players each patch, is not a thriving game.

For reference :

April 2022 26,698.6 +8,761.4 +48.84% 54,905
August 2022 28,228.8 +4,608.5 +19.51% 56,616
January 2023 27,140.2 +8,694.5 +47.14% 47,992

The smallest peak was actually in january 2023 that is in patch times, with a total peak on steam of 47.992, while April 2022 had 54.905, while the average barely managed to stay the same as back in april 2022, and still ended up lower than august 2022.

Out of posts

Of course there was a growth thanks to the massive wow exodus, I never said the opposite, however based on the release of EW, and the following months and patches, the game hasn’t been growing, it’s been struggling to retain the same amount of players.
I will repeat it once more :
Yes the game grew from SB to EW, with a massive peak at release, however, it has failed to retain them well enough, and barely manages to retain the same amount of players on patch months and the months after.

[Ranaku]

I don't even care that much what people think but I just love that after 38 pages these "statistics experts" still fail to counter the literal third post of this thread on page 1.

Consider the data-generating process

Y = f(X, U), where Y is the probability of attrition depending on observables and unobservables X and U. If after estimating f (through a probit or logit model etc) on some random and balanced subset of data Z you get an attrition rate of 70%, then the prediction of the global attrition rate based on f-bar has an expected value of 70%, and this is a consistent and unbiased prediction as long as the estimator is consistent and unbiased. Even if this subsample is imbalanced, it will take a lot for the global attrition rate to actually be 40% or some much lower number. You can easily run simulations to prove this.

No one in this entire thread proved that Steam players are sufficiently different from regular FF14 players such that the subsample is imbalanced enough that any inference on the global attrition rate is off significantly.

It kinda doesn't matter if the steam charts are a real representation of the community. Cause even when using the steamcharts 90% of your original statement was a blatant lie with tempered evidence.

SB Peak: 40k

ShB Peak: 60k

EW Peak: 90k

And the next expansion will probably go over a 100k peak players on release. And the player number drops always after release and goes up with patches and then drops again before picking up with new expansions again. The game has now more active players than on ShB release.

BUT HEY WHAT CAN WE EXPECT FROM A FORUM TROLL WHO HAS WEIRDLY ENOUGH EVERY DOL AND DOH JOB ON 90 AND ONLY ONE COMBAT JOB AT 90? Not really here to debate with an obvious troll but some people might start to believe that obvious lie so yeah.

[Ranaku]

Misunderstood the part about lies and deception, thought you meant me, nevermind, however my point stands that the game is not in a "growing" and "thriving" state, its stable at best, going downwards trend wise, a game that is "thriving" right now and is constantly thriving is CS:GO, it had a constant flow of new players in the past 6+ months, that is a thriving game, while FFXIV barely manages to keep the same numbers, if it even does, and no, they are not the same genre of course, the point was just that a game that is thriving has upwards trends, not downwards, a game struggling to retain the same amount of players each patch, is not a thriving game.

For reference :

April 2022 26,698.6 +8,761.4 +48.84% 54,905
August 2022 28,228.8 +4,608.5 +19.51% 56,616
January 2023 27,140.2 +8,694.5 +47.14% 47,992

The smallest peak was actually in january 2023 that is in patch times, with a total peak on steam of 47.992, while April 2022 had 54.905, while the average barely managed to stay the same as back in april 2022, and still ended up lower than august 2022.

Don't worry i explain it to you again.

Release peaks:

EW: December 2021 53,729.2 +27,967.7 +108.56% 95,102

ShB: July 2019 23,105.4 +8,766.2 +61.13% 38,909

SB: June 2017 12,446.3 +5,898.2 +90.07% 25,599

Patchmonths compared:

EW: January 2023 27,140.2 +8,694.5 +47.14% 47,992

ShB: August 2020 20,497.8 +4,730.6 +30.00% 34,086

SB: February 2018 7,635.9 +1,672.8 +28.05% 12,637


EW Patchmonth vs. ShB release:

EW: January 2023 27,140.2 +8,694.5 +47.14% 47,992

ShB: ShB: July 2019 23,105.4 +8,766.2 +61.13% 38,909

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How in the world do you not see growth there? Patchmonths NOW have MORE players than the forking release of the last expansion. Patchmonths not new expansions, PATCHES.

So there is growth definitely. But the game is struggling with delivering content, we have no extra trials like the triad or weapon quests this expansion. We have no Eureka or Bozja. And i can definitely see peoples unhappiness with that which is definitely, unlike the doom and gloom, very real. The game isn't struggling with its players, maybe it should though cause maybe then the devs wake up and don't deliver half baked content which nobody seems to enjoy, criterion got abandoned so fast by the players for example.

But don't build your arguments on lies from a troll who wants to just stir the forum. The games struggles are very real but shifting the focus on a fake problem like here won't help. Look at the "why is the EW story so lackluster" thread with 400 pages. That is a place to post your very valid critique. Don't waste it on a troll thread where it gets discarded by the devs anyways cause who reads through all this crap here, they sure won't.

[hunkygladiator]

It kinda doesn't matter if the steam charts are a real representation of the community. Cause even when using the steamcharts 90% of your original statement was a blatant lie with tempered evidence.

SB Peak: 40k

ShB Peak: 60k

EW Peak: 90k

And the next expansion will probably go over a 100k peak players on release. And the player number drops always after release and goes up with patches and then drops again before picking up with new expansions again. The game has now more active players than on ShB release.

BUT HEY WHAT CAN WE EXPECT FROM A FORUM TROLL WHO HAS WEIRDLY ENOUGH EVERY DOL AND DOH JOB ON 90 AND ONLY ONE COMBAT JOB AT 90? Not really here to debate with an obvious troll but some people might start to believe that obvious lie so yeah.

You:

NOOOO YOU ARE LYING BECAUSE OUR COUNTRY STILL HAS MORE PEOPLE THAN BACK IN 1500