We lost 70% of our player base half a year in

[Ranaku]

God the coping is strong with this one, here's another "the game is thriving" "the game is growing" lmao

The amount of copium from the very few people in every single thread about FFXIV losing players is absolutely comical, keep it coming, and keep thinking the game is "thriving and growing" as its not even managing to keep the actual players and do player retention more than a week after a new patch is out (if even a week)

I mean, look at the steamcharts! That's what you guys argument with. Don't come to me and complain when it backfires.

But i do understand that the truth really hurts, especially when delivered by fact checking your silly little arguments which are based on lies and deception.

[Stormpeaks]

I mean, look at the steamcharts! That's what you guys argument with. Don't come to me and complain when it backfires.

Oh I am looking at them alright, but you are absolutely blinded by copium so I wont bother, might as well talk to Gemina if I'd do that, yes the game is absolutely thriving blah blah blah, that's why when you log in, literally everyone is afk in cities barely 2 weeks into the patch, people sitting in Limsa all day long doing absolutely nothing, a barely alive PF except on extra peak times or on weekends, and the fact most people would rather do ERP or go to venues because the game has absolutely nothing to offer aside from that since every time they try and add content to the game "then I have to actually spend time in the game and do content !!!!", that's because the game is absolutely thriving, people actually have to make their own fun by going to venue or doing ERP because else they'd just outright quit, what a great selling point, you really got me there

Also lol @lies and deception, okay my dude, you keep thinking this game is in great health if you want to, and enjoy your 5 months paced content, because that's all you're going to get, thankfully you have 5 months to get that hype going, woooo such hype, content barely 3 times a year if even, yay

[Ranaku]

Oh I am looking at them alright, but you are absolutely blinded by copium so I wont bother, might as well talk to Gemina if I'd do that, yes the game is absolutely thriving blah blah blah, that's why when you log in, literally everyone is afk in cities barely 2 weeks into the patch, people sitting in Limsa all day long doing absolutely nothing, a barely alive PF except on extra peak times or on weekends, and the fact most people would rather do ERP or go to venues because the game has absolutely nothing to offer aside from that since every time they try and add content to the game "then I have to actually spend time in the game and do content !!!!", that's because the game is absolutely thriving, people actually have to make their own fun by going to venue or doing ERP because else they'd just outright quit, what a great selling point, you really got me there

We do not talk about the offered content here though, we talk about raw player numbers and growth. I myself am really not that satisfied with EW and i think the content could be better. But that is a opinion for another thread and i voiced my displeasure in other threads about the story or how they butcher jobs and whatnot. Criterion was also a real disappointment for me personally. And ofc we don't talk about Island Sanctuary...

But here i just expose a lying troll who wants to deceive people. OP i mean, not you.

[Stormpeaks]

We do not talk about the offered content here though, we talk about raw player numbers and growth. I myself am really not that satisfied with EW and i think the content could be better. But that is a opinion for another thread and i voiced my displeasure in other threads about the story or how they butcher jobs and whatnot. Criterion was also a real disappointment for me personally. And ofc we don't talk about Island Sanctuary...

But here i just expose a lying troll who wants to deceive people. OP i mean, not you.

Misunderstood the part about lies and deception, thought you meant me, nevermind, however my point stands that the game is not in a "growing" and "thriving" state, its stable at best, going downwards trend wise, a game that is "thriving" right now and is constantly thriving is CS:GO, it had a constant flow of new players in the past 6+ months, that is a thriving game, while FFXIV barely manages to keep the same numbers, if it even does, and no, they are not the same genre of course, the point was just that a game that is thriving has upwards trends, not downwards, a game struggling to retain the same amount of players each patch, is not a thriving game.

For reference :

April 2022 26,698.6 +8,761.4 +48.84% 54,905
August 2022 28,228.8 +4,608.5 +19.51% 56,616
January 2023 27,140.2 +8,694.5 +47.14% 47,992

The smallest peak was actually in january 2023 that is in patch times, with a total peak on steam of 47.992, while April 2022 had 54.905, while the average barely managed to stay the same as back in april 2022, and still ended up lower than august 2022.

Out of posts

Of course there was a growth thanks to the massive wow exodus, I never said the opposite, however based on the release of EW, and the following months and patches, the game hasn’t been growing, it’s been struggling to retain the same amount of players.
I will repeat it once more :
Yes the game grew from SB to EW, with a massive peak at release, however, it has failed to retain them well enough, and barely manages to retain the same amount of players on patch months and the months after.

[Ranaku]

Misunderstood the part about lies and deception, thought you meant me, nevermind, however my point stands that the game is not in a "growing" and "thriving" state, its stable at best, going downwards trend wise, a game that is "thriving" right now and is constantly thriving is CS:GO, it had a constant flow of new players in the past 6+ months, that is a thriving game, while FFXIV barely manages to keep the same numbers, if it even does, and no, they are not the same genre of course, the point was just that a game that is thriving has upwards trends, not downwards, a game struggling to retain the same amount of players each patch, is not a thriving game.

For reference :

April 2022 26,698.6 +8,761.4 +48.84% 54,905
August 2022 28,228.8 +4,608.5 +19.51% 56,616
January 2023 27,140.2 +8,694.5 +47.14% 47,992

The smallest peak was actually in january 2023 that is in patch times, with a total peak on steam of 47.992, while April 2022 had 54.905, while the average barely managed to stay the same as back in april 2022, and still ended up lower than august 2022.

Don't worry i explain it to you again.

Release peaks:

EW: December 2021 53,729.2 +27,967.7 +108.56% 95,102

ShB: July 2019 23,105.4 +8,766.2 +61.13% 38,909

SB: June 2017 12,446.3 +5,898.2 +90.07% 25,599

Patchmonths compared:

EW: January 2023 27,140.2 +8,694.5 +47.14% 47,992

ShB: August 2020 20,497.8 +4,730.6 +30.00% 34,086

SB: February 2018 7,635.9 +1,672.8 +28.05% 12,637


EW Patchmonth vs. ShB release:

EW: January 2023 27,140.2 +8,694.5 +47.14% 47,992

ShB: ShB: July 2019 23,105.4 +8,766.2 +61.13% 38,909

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How in the world do you not see growth there? Patchmonths NOW have MORE players than the forking release of the last expansion. Patchmonths not new expansions, PATCHES.

So there is growth definitely. But the game is struggling with delivering content, we have no extra trials like the triad or weapon quests this expansion. We have no Eureka or Bozja. And i can definitely see peoples unhappiness with that which is definitely, unlike the doom and gloom, very real. The game isn't struggling with its players, maybe it should though cause maybe then the devs wake up and don't deliver half baked content which nobody seems to enjoy, criterion got abandoned so fast by the players for example.

But don't build your arguments on lies from a troll who wants to just stir the forum. The games struggles are very real but shifting the focus on a fake problem like here won't help. Look at the "why is the EW story so lackluster" thread with 400 pages. That is a place to post your very valid critique. Don't waste it on a troll thread where it gets discarded by the devs anyways cause who reads through all this crap here, they sure won't.