BLM DPS

[Turtledeluxe]

Reducing SAM damage makes it less desirable compared to the other melee DPS

And not having utility makes BLM less desirable in various cases. And no I am not trying to go back to the "should BLM have more utility" debate.

Yes, they are selfish DPS classes, so is Machinist, should Machinist also do competitive damage alongside SAM?

Why should it not? What is the point of a class being a selfish dps if it does not bring the most dps possible? You may as well not even call it that. SAM is selfish dps-- BLM and MCH are just selfish (in cases where they do not compete with SAM).

it brings more to a fight than the other casters.

In your opinion.

I could say the same about any job. If we were having this same discussion but SAM and BLM were switched, why should I play SAM when BLM is higher. The argument for making BLM stronger (or reducing SAM) is not a good one. If all they care about is doing the most DPS, then they do not care which job it is.

I haven't said BLM should be higher than SAM, I said they should be equivalent. But you keep painting it this way to make me look bad, which is fine. My posts are there for people to read. You aren't changing my commentary lol. You've done this several times and I keep correcting you. And one more reminder that selfish DPS-- all they bring to the fight is DPS. Regardless of what the game has done with them historically, I am saying that (imo) selfish DPS should bring top DPS to the fight when played optimally and should all be (more than other classes) challenging to play. That would make a lot of sense to me. You bring up MCH and it's funny because don't MCH's complain, like a lot?

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-for-Machinist

Also, as a reference, Ultimate fights tend to be very skewed in measuring DPS, in any sort of way. With so many phase transitions and therefore downtime, it tends to favour jobs that can build resources when there is no target present.

Yes that makes sense, and it's good that sometimes BLM matches SAM. That's how it should be. Not sure why you keep debating it when it clearly happens in the game and the game is not ruined. Thank goodness some fights exist where BLM gameplay is properly rewarded.