The current state of the "MMORPG" FFXIV is unsustainable. Here's why

[Remish]

I think the game feels easy more because of the internet rather than the game it self.
Everytime a new piece of content comes out there are guides for it within a day.

-Extreme Primal Guides day one
-Savage Guides same week
-Ultimate guides in about two weeks. Simulators, third party tools updated rapidly and swiftly.
-Eureka Othros had a Solo guide on the first day.
-Job rotations are figured out immediately no matter how complex they are. Endwalker rotations were crafted before EW even released.
-Island Sanctuary has a discord that tells me what I need to do every week so there was zero area to figure it out for myself.

Sometimes I have to ask myself, is it really the content and jobs that's to easy or is it that the internet as a whole figures all of the content out so fast and provides resources so quickly that I don't need to think for myself.

[Raven2014]

Sometimes I have to ask myself, is it really the content and jobs that's to easy or is it that the internet as a whole figures all of the content out so fast and provides resources so quickly that I don't need to think for myself.

Yep, I used to be in a group that does thing strictly blind, and the progress is almost frustrating slow for me. And before you question their skill, some of the member clear Ultimate content when they're still relevance. These days there are soo much handicap and assistance people taken for granted that they don't even realize they receive a handicap.

You can really see this effect when you try to clear in PF early on a patch day when all the "tools" are broken and not yet updated. It's always hilarious how PF quality take a nose dive when no one have something to tell them what to do.

[Jojoya]

Yep, I used to be in a group that does thing strictly blind, and the progress is almost frustrating slow for me. And before you question their skill, some of the member clear Ultimate content when they're still relevance. These days there are soo much handicap and assistance people taken for granted that they don't even realize they receive a handicap.

You can really see this effect when you try to clear in PF early on a patch day when all the "tools" are broken and not yet updated. It's always hilarious how PF quality take a nose dive when no one have something to tell them what to do.

Sounds like an argument for why MMOs should be console only, not PC. (I only play on PC but I also don't use the third party tools).

In a way, it reminds of a few very late night hunt trains I've run on Dynamis where only 6-8 players showed up. Most of them had never really experienced the mechanics, being used to the zerg armies that would show up to trains on Aether and Primal to melt the hunts in about 20 seconds. But they did learn because they were in a situation where they needed to.

[Absurdity]

You can really see this effect when you try to clear in PF early on a patch day when all the "tools" are broken and not yet updated. It's always hilarious how PF quality take a nose dive when no one have something to tell them what to do.

Funny that I have the exact opposite experience. When trying to clear anything in PF on patch day I usually get the people who

1. Know what they're doing
2. Communicate properly when something goes wrong
3. Actually discuss solutions to mechanics
and generally clear the fight relatively quickly.


Instead I find that the longer into it's lifecycle the content is the worse players you will find in PF, despite all the tools and guides, that everyone supposedly crutches on, already being updated.
You get people who can't perform their basic dummy rotation correctly, don't know mechanics, don't talk about it when they're having issues with mechanics, move to the wrong spots constantly despite positions being clearly established beforehand and regularly try to blame anything but themselves.


And Light certainly isn't a glorious utopia of skilled players, maybe it's a difference between NA and EU, who knows.

[TomsYoungerBro]

Funny that I have the exact opposite experience. When trying to clear anything in PF on patch day I usually get the people who

1. Know what they're doing
2. Communicate properly when something goes wrong
3. Actually discuss solutions to mechanics
and generally clear the fight relatively quickly.


Instead I find that the longer into it's lifecycle the content is the worse players you will find in PF, despite all the tools and guides, that everyone supposedly crutches on, already being updated.
You get people who can't perform their basic dummy rotation correctly, don't know mechanics, don't talk about it when they're having issues with mechanics, move to the wrong spots constantly despite positions being clearly established beforehand and regularly try to blame anything but themselves.


And Light certainly isn't a glorious utopia of skilled players, maybe it's a difference between NA and EU, who knows.

I feel bad for anyone still doing the tier as ive heard so many nightmare pf stories since late 6.2 and all of 6.3 xD

[Absurdity]

I feel bad for anyone still doing the tier as ive heard so many nightmare pf stories since late 6.2 and all of 6.3 xD

Yeah, I can't even be bothered to try anymore. I had P7S done in early October and that was already a struggle, took a break from pugging for a while and now I'm way too late to clear P8S without wanting to pull my hair out in frustration.

[Raven2014]

Funny that I have the exact opposite experience. When trying to clear anything in PF on patch day I usually get the people who

You misunderstood what I mean by patch date. I don't mean the "week 1 content" patch day, because you certainly get the best and most diligent players for sure. There is a reason why these players clear the tier within weeks or at most a month.

When I said patch day I mean days of the patches that ~2 months down the line, after people had get used to having all of those tool. The patches tend to break those tool, so on those days PF often just turn to shit until the tools are updated.

[Absurdity]

You misunderstood what I mean by patch date. I don't mean the "week 1 content" patch day, because you certainly get the best and most diligent players for sure. There is a reason why these players clear the tier within weeks or at most a month.

When I said patch day I mean days of the patches that ~2 months down the line, after people had get used to having all of those tool. The patches tend to break those tool, so on those days PF often just turn to shit until the tools are updated.

In that case you really don't even need a patch day for PF to turn into a clown fiesta, the content being 2 months old is already enough.

[Yukimin]

Amazing to who?

Most people. Know why? They stayed silent because they liked it, and were busy *playing the game*

I hated Bozja with every fiber of my being

You're part of the problem. Because if you hate a type of content nobody is forcing you to do it. I don't like Ultimates but it's not something I want cut from the game. And honestly if you don't like Forays and grinding I don't think this game is for you.

...a new deep dungeon instead this expansion...

You have been playing this game longer than me and you *don't* remember that in Stormblood we had BOTH a Deep Dungeon (Heaven-on-High) AND a Foray? (Eureka, which was 4 zones by the way!)
Come on now.

[Yukimin]

Why can't I see OP as having cleared any relevant content worth citing their class design opinion on? How can you act like an expert if you didn't engage in the first place?

Let me guess, you think the ONLY content that matters in this game that matters is Ultimates and Savage raids, correct? Would it be correct to assume, that we should get rid of the Gold Saucer, get rid of Forays, and you know, get rid of relics as a whole, why not? Then we can just do nothing but Savage and Ultimates since that's the 'relevant' content for you. Because if you're not a raider you don't know what you are talking about apparently.
It doesn't take a Savage/Ultimate raider to figure out what's wrong with the game, if you've been playing this game long enough it'll be obvious how braindead easy Square Enix is making the content that *most* people play. But, I hope you enjoy your 2 minute burst. I'm sure it's paying off.
Frankly this game is becoming very Anti-MMO. For God's sake, I can't even queue for Casual Crystalline Conflict with my friend because Square Enix doesn't want people's feelings to get hurt!