Change/Remove Lalafell "Lifter"...

[VoidsentStatus]

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To answer the first half, I won't speak on the generic public, but in regard to venues, the middle stance is a partially-political stance. It is a "I want to obey traditional rp community rules", but 1) "I can personally see how sometimes they can look like children if people purposely design or play them that way" or 2) "I don't way to say -I don't care if you're uncomfortable- to my guests." It is when you are having conversations with guests or staff that are uncomfortable where this comes into play.

person who is obeying rp etiquette -> *points to lore for lalafell being adults*
person who is uncomfortable due to their emotions -> *points to various hints such as the chair that lalafell are children*

You get into a pointing match and defending the lore becomes harder the more things the other side can point to. And the reason you care about that is because you don't want to be seen as a pedophile sympathizer/protector because that'll get you harassed just as much. There are people that RP and bend lore etc./head cannon etc., but being true/hardcore as a RP'er doesn't allow for that, but you don't want to seem unaccepting of the other side's points/emotions because you are a semi-community leader (we're talking 1000-4000+ member discords). Square Enix may have put it in as a joke or to be cute, but there are people that take it serious unfortunately, which is one of the things I hated about being a venue owner and having to handle political outlooks that may conflict with your personal opinion on where /you/ wanted to be in the community.

"And why do the children need that furniture? Because they are 3 feet tall. Why do the Lalafells need it? They're also 3 feet tall." Their height isn't the reason they need the furniture, they need it because they don't have a means to use regular furniture even if they wanted to without excessive strain assuming it was possible. Lalafell have massive hopping potential and have been seen in story flinging full grown midlanders etc. with ease as bodyguards to show their muscle potential, they don't "need" that furniture technically. They haven't needed it for years.

[Kneecap_Stabber]

"And why do the children need that furniture? Because they are 3 feet tall. Why do the Lalafells need it? They're also 3 feet tall." Their height isn't the reason they need the furniture, they need it because they don't have a means to use regular furniture even if they wanted to without excessive strain assuming it was possible. Lalafell have massive hopping potential and have been seen in story flinging full grown midlanders etc. with ease as bodyguards to show their muscle potential, they don't "need" that furniture technically. They haven't needed it for years.

Their height isn't the reason they need it? Their "immense hopping potential" means they don't need a taller chair? What?? You realize kids use high chairs not because they're easy to get into, but because they literally can't reach over the table properly while sitting down, right? The Lalafell chair would actually be much harder to get into than a regular chair, so I don't understand what this "immense hopping potential" thing is about. Yes, it is blatantly obvious that they can get up into the chair by themselves. Kids generally need assistance to get into a high chair, while Lalafells can presumably jump up on their own, hence why the Lalafell Lifter has no safety mechanisms like a baby's high chair would. So what are you even trying to say here? Have you never met anybody who has kids? Lalafells would need the chair for the same reason that they literally need to stand up straight to reach the steering wheel in the Regalia mount, and for the same reason the "Lalafellin Steppin Stool" exists, because they are 3 feet tall.

To answer the first half, I won't speak on the generic public, but in regard to venues, the middle stance is a partially-political stance.

Okay, so the people who are neutral in this scenario are venue owners who don't care themselves, but need to pick a side of the community to appease. In which case I would argue that these people are never going to be persuaded by these pedantic arguments nitpicking details from the game, but by which side is louder, more annoying, and gives them more stress when they're just trying to chill after work and play their favourite video game. The argument "Lalafells are children because their chair looks like a baby chair" is essentially the same argument as "Lalafells are children because they look like children," and no venue owner who was not already persuaded by the latter argument is going to be persuaded by the former. As such they're likely just going to base their decision on the volume of requests from their community, and I still don't see how this chair is making a difference in this scenario.

[Rhyagelle]

I like the chair. As a tiny person myself, I often need carefully selected furniture to be able to sit etc etc with others "normally". It's a reality of being a short person. I really think people are getting upset over absolutely nothing and need to calm down.

[VoidsentStatus]

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Depends on what age we're talking about/what the purpose of the chair is. First impression was that this is one of those things that you sit on top of regular chairs to get higher as you mentioned, but irl there are already chairs at different heights relative to a table/counter that could be used. Some of the higher resting chair designs that could've been used would be harder for someone young like a child to get in naturally but a lalafell wouldn't have that issue. The Lalafellin Step Stool actually ends up being the same height as regular other stool housing items but has medium steps halfway up so you don't have to hop on top of it. I can understand the design choice by not hopping on top of a stool for Lalafell but they're hopping on top of chairs regardless of where the seat is at naturally or boosted.

"louder, more annoying, and gives them more stress"+"volume of requests from their community" -> In general, yes. And to answer how the chair makes a difference, it's because there are people such as myself that don't make the blanket statement that all lalafell look like children. There can be lalafell that look like children, but as you stated earlier, there are plenty in MSQ that look like adults including one's that even have significant sagging skin like one in Endwalker crafters may have seen, as well as those that can be designed in character creation that have a more mature appearance, whether that is facial hair, grey/white hair, less kidsy features in cheek and eye design, scars, voice chosen (some lalafell are notorious for this in JP voice acting), and clothing options. And that is outside of lore/commissioned more accurately depicting art, etc. etc. (part of those etc. being things I can't talk about on the forums *cough*). Sometimes, not all the time, even for those acting off emotions and not lore, this is a point they can sometimes concede. That's when other points come up such as the emotes etc. and now the chair. That's the next level for people like me to debunk when we're trying to make arguments for why their feelings are valid, but, there can be exceptions if the race is handled properly that they are okay with and no longer feel uncomfortable in those specific situations. This mostly comes as a result of new people coming to the game, skipping cutscenes etc. and not having a ready archive of every speech/topic that Yoshi-P has addressed and all they have is friends telling them lalafell are children because of x and x reason. So you have to retrain/educate people to make their own choice instead of just being part of the mob and that's one less voice to deal with when you can address every concern they have meaningfully.

[Zakuyia]

XD my friends told me they find the chair cute and adorable...they don't see it as some weird fetish kink....idk seems like the community is being weird....

Overall I just think this was a bad Hot Take and people needing to play something else in stead of ff14...people being weird probably need to touch more grass, dirt, sand, asphalt, snow, ocean water depending on where u live. If a chair is bothering you that badly might I give you advice (don't buy it, if you hate seeing it stop going to one, and if you feel that it just overall bothers you....that's a you problem please stop making it other people problem we don't want your problem.) Yoshi-P trying to make something fun and allot of you feel like you wanna personalize the game to your experience. We don't matter its your way or the highway....just play the game and have some fun....

Drama: TLDR..... A bunch of people having a Marvel Civil war over a chair that is optional to buy

[nemurin]

im just saying if people are harassing you over something as simple as "just playing as a lalafell" its probably for a different reason and not because of the character youre playing

[RedekerKane]

Why are all of the toddlers in this thread not supervised? Someone strap them into their chair and feed them their numnums.

[Roisin]

Two years ago a man came into my office. He said his name was Mayhew. He wanted one of my clients to lie for him under oath. He offered me money. I refused. That night, as I was leaving my office, I was attacked. A bag was shoved over my head, I was hogtied, I was driven out into the desert. And when they pulled the hood off, I was kneeling in front of an open grave with a gun pointed at my head. That was my introduction to Walter White! I was terrified. But not for long. That night, I saw opportunity. A shot at big money. And I grabbed it and I held it tight. And for the next sixteen months, my every waking moment was spent building Walter White's drug empire. So, yeah, I wasn't there when the meth was cooked. I wasn't there when it was sold. I didn't witness any of the murders. But I damn well knew it was happening. I was more than a willing participant. I was indispensable. I kept Walter White out of jail, I laundered his money, I lied for him, I conspired with him, and I made millions. If he hadn't walked into my office that day, Walter White would have been dead or behind bars within a month. And Agent Schrader and Agent Gomez and a whole lot of other people would still be alive. The fact is, Walter White couldn't have done it without me.

[Miradelle]

twitter posts of peoplesaying to block nsfw lalafell

I don't see the issue with this part. If it was a nsfw lalafel twitter profile, then their followers knew what they were doing.

youtube video links spammed in game with f2p accounts recording venue discord conversations and advertising it as venue owners being pedophiles

First case of in-game harassment. It's weird to be doing that, but this isn't exactly a random person walking to a random Lalafel, like how the Lalafels in this thread have made it seem like. The people in those videos are DEFINITELY very sus. I recognize one of them, and that venue creeped me out - now I know why.

I got doxxed on discord ... to spam my personal information with accusations of calling me a pedophile

That sucks. I recommend not sharing your personal info anywhere online, though.

also related to this was mass-banning from a lot of prominent venue discords on Crystal so I'm waking up to Mee6 ban messages calling me a pedophile

It sounds like there's more to this .... This also doesn't really fit the narrative of Lalafels being randomly called pedos, and none of this seems to be in-game, either, except one weirdo making videos with unlimited accounts.

I later found out there was a "red flag" on me with the owner telling all staff to not interact or talk to me at all

I'm sorry, but this doesn't just happen to the same person repeatedly for no reason.

if people consider you a pedophile or accuse you of being a pedophile, they're free to spread that in tells, linkshells

I think this is completely fine, because it isn't harassment. If someone suddenly /tells you something rude, then that's a different story

both of us got random hate tells/had our network/friends also attacked such as: "oh you're working with the pedophile", "they disgust me, you should be careful who you associate with"

I think you're definitely engaged in something that makes people feel this way besides JUST being a Lalafel. I'd be interested to see screenshots of those tells, but this is a far cry from being randomly accused of it.

There are networks of people in the venue community that I was made aware of that will track people with accusations or proof against them of pedophilia to see who all you interact with at various venues so now you're being stalked.

I am fine with that, tbh.

This seems kind of a self report, and makes me more grounded in my view that the only Lalafels that get 'harassment' are the ones engaged in NSFW activity.

[peachjesu]

the fact anyone is mad about this means you really are children. Get in the chair.