Change/Remove Lalafell "Lifter"...

[VoidsentStatus]

No one is fence sitting and nitpicking the compelling evidence on whether Lalafell are children, because they have played the game and met characters like Nanamo, Teledji, Tataru and so on. It is abundantly clear that they can be adults in lore, and abundantly clear that they look childlike. People who can't get over that childlike appearance are going to treat them as children regardless of the lore. So the chair contributes nothing to either side of this pointless argument.

Yes, there are people fence sitting because it's a common issue in the venue community where people are torn between their personal feelings and obeying RP etiquette which goes off lore, hence why different venues have rules addressing nsfw lalafell on each side, or just flat out ignore it until it becomes a problem or allow people to separate themselves in chat in the discord or in-game from where nsfw lalafell content may be. This has been talked about for years on various ways to handle things, because lalafell being in nsfw situations in venues has been a thing on Primal and Aether as a minimum since the scene first got made over 3 years ago.

[Kneecap_Stabber]

Yes, there are people fence sitting because it's a common issue in the venue community where people are torn between their personal feelings and obeying RP etiquette which goes off lore, hence why different venues have rules addressing nsfw lalafell on each side, or just flat out ignore it until it becomes a problem or allow people to separate themselves in chat in the discord or in-game from where nsfw lalafell content may be. This has been talked about for years on various ways to handle things, because lalafell being in nsfw situations in venues has been a thing on Primal and Aether as a minimum since the scene first got made over 3 years ago.

If they're decidedly basing their opinion of "RP Etiquette" on lore and not appearances, then I doubly do not see why this chair would change anyone's mind. The description doesn't mention anything about Lalafell being children, it simply has a childlike appearance, just as Lalafell themselves do. There is no rule against adults enjoying a childish pastel aesthetic. These RP people who can get over the appearance of the characters should just as well be able to get over the appearance of a chair, no? The more this is discussed the more I really cannot fathom why this is contributing to the issue at hand whatsoever.

[VoidsentStatus]

If they're decidedly basing their opinion of "RP Etiquette" on lore and not appearances, then I doubly do not see why this chair would change anyone's mind. The description doesn't mention anything about Lalafell being children, it simply has a childlike appearance, just as Lalafell themselves do. There is no rule against adults enjoying a childish pastel aesthetic. These RP people who can get over the appearance of the characters should just as well be able to get over the appearance of a chair, no? The more this is discussed the more I really cannot fathom why this is contributing to the issue at hand whatsoever.

Because you just listed the side of the argument that doesn't care about the chair. It's the other half basing their opinion on personal emotion who care about the chair's existence as they use it to justify said emotion. On a personal level, I don't even understand why a "lifter" is even needed considering lalafell have used chairs perfectly fine until now and hitting the edge of the table with your nose like in the description wasn't a thing in cutscenes that I can remember. The idea itself seems to be inspired by furniture needed by children traditionally.

[Kneecap_Stabber]

Because you just listed the side of the argument that doesn't care about the chair. It's the other half basing their opinion on personal emotion who care about the chair's existence as they use it to justify said emotion. On a personal level, I don't even understand why a "lifter" is even needed considering lalafell have used chairs perfectly fine until now and hitting the edge of the table with your nose like in the description wasn't a thing in cutscenes that I can remember. The idea itself seems to be inspired by furniture needed by children traditionally.

"It's the other half basing their opinion on personal emotion who care about the chair's existence." That's precisely it though. You admit the people who base their opinion on lore aren't having their minds changed, and the people basing their opinions on appearances, by your own admission, are simply justifying an opinion they already held, and that they needed no further justification for. Everyone who cares about appearance first and foremost before lore already held this position, and the chair has changed nothing.

"The idea itself seems to be inspired by furniture needed by children traditionally." And why do the children need that furniture? Because they are 3 feet tall. Why do the Lalafells need it? They're also 3 feet tall. Whether or not you personally have had trouble fitting in furnishings, that doesn't discredit the perfectly logical reason as to why it would exist in the world. It's just a cute and funny chair, and as much as you want it to be emblematic of tipping the scales in some virtual race war, it's never going to be anything more than that.

[VoidsentStatus]

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To answer the first half, I won't speak on the generic public, but in regard to venues, the middle stance is a partially-political stance. It is a "I want to obey traditional rp community rules", but 1) "I can personally see how sometimes they can look like children if people purposely design or play them that way" or 2) "I don't way to say -I don't care if you're uncomfortable- to my guests." It is when you are having conversations with guests or staff that are uncomfortable where this comes into play.

person who is obeying rp etiquette -> *points to lore for lalafell being adults*
person who is uncomfortable due to their emotions -> *points to various hints such as the chair that lalafell are children*

You get into a pointing match and defending the lore becomes harder the more things the other side can point to. And the reason you care about that is because you don't want to be seen as a pedophile sympathizer/protector because that'll get you harassed just as much. There are people that RP and bend lore etc./head cannon etc., but being true/hardcore as a RP'er doesn't allow for that, but you don't want to seem unaccepting of the other side's points/emotions because you are a semi-community leader (we're talking 1000-4000+ member discords). Square Enix may have put it in as a joke or to be cute, but there are people that take it serious unfortunately, which is one of the things I hated about being a venue owner and having to handle political outlooks that may conflict with your personal opinion on where /you/ wanted to be in the community.

"And why do the children need that furniture? Because they are 3 feet tall. Why do the Lalafells need it? They're also 3 feet tall." Their height isn't the reason they need the furniture, they need it because they don't have a means to use regular furniture even if they wanted to without excessive strain assuming it was possible. Lalafell have massive hopping potential and have been seen in story flinging full grown midlanders etc. with ease as bodyguards to show their muscle potential, they don't "need" that furniture technically. They haven't needed it for years.

[Kneecap_Stabber]

"And why do the children need that furniture? Because they are 3 feet tall. Why do the Lalafells need it? They're also 3 feet tall." Their height isn't the reason they need the furniture, they need it because they don't have a means to use regular furniture even if they wanted to without excessive strain assuming it was possible. Lalafell have massive hopping potential and have been seen in story flinging full grown midlanders etc. with ease as bodyguards to show their muscle potential, they don't "need" that furniture technically. They haven't needed it for years.

Their height isn't the reason they need it? Their "immense hopping potential" means they don't need a taller chair? What?? You realize kids use high chairs not because they're easy to get into, but because they literally can't reach over the table properly while sitting down, right? The Lalafell chair would actually be much harder to get into than a regular chair, so I don't understand what this "immense hopping potential" thing is about. Yes, it is blatantly obvious that they can get up into the chair by themselves. Kids generally need assistance to get into a high chair, while Lalafells can presumably jump up on their own, hence why the Lalafell Lifter has no safety mechanisms like a baby's high chair would. So what are you even trying to say here? Have you never met anybody who has kids? Lalafells would need the chair for the same reason that they literally need to stand up straight to reach the steering wheel in the Regalia mount, and for the same reason the "Lalafellin Steppin Stool" exists, because they are 3 feet tall.

To answer the first half, I won't speak on the generic public, but in regard to venues, the middle stance is a partially-political stance.

Okay, so the people who are neutral in this scenario are venue owners who don't care themselves, but need to pick a side of the community to appease. In which case I would argue that these people are never going to be persuaded by these pedantic arguments nitpicking details from the game, but by which side is louder, more annoying, and gives them more stress when they're just trying to chill after work and play their favourite video game. The argument "Lalafells are children because their chair looks like a baby chair" is essentially the same argument as "Lalafells are children because they look like children," and no venue owner who was not already persuaded by the latter argument is going to be persuaded by the former. As such they're likely just going to base their decision on the volume of requests from their community, and I still don't see how this chair is making a difference in this scenario.

[VoidsentStatus]

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Depends on what age we're talking about/what the purpose of the chair is. First impression was that this is one of those things that you sit on top of regular chairs to get higher as you mentioned, but irl there are already chairs at different heights relative to a table/counter that could be used. Some of the higher resting chair designs that could've been used would be harder for someone young like a child to get in naturally but a lalafell wouldn't have that issue. The Lalafellin Step Stool actually ends up being the same height as regular other stool housing items but has medium steps halfway up so you don't have to hop on top of it. I can understand the design choice by not hopping on top of a stool for Lalafell but they're hopping on top of chairs regardless of where the seat is at naturally or boosted.

"louder, more annoying, and gives them more stress"+"volume of requests from their community" -> In general, yes. And to answer how the chair makes a difference, it's because there are people such as myself that don't make the blanket statement that all lalafell look like children. There can be lalafell that look like children, but as you stated earlier, there are plenty in MSQ that look like adults including one's that even have significant sagging skin like one in Endwalker crafters may have seen, as well as those that can be designed in character creation that have a more mature appearance, whether that is facial hair, grey/white hair, less kidsy features in cheek and eye design, scars, voice chosen (some lalafell are notorious for this in JP voice acting), and clothing options. And that is outside of lore/commissioned more accurately depicting art, etc. etc. (part of those etc. being things I can't talk about on the forums *cough*). Sometimes, not all the time, even for those acting off emotions and not lore, this is a point they can sometimes concede. That's when other points come up such as the emotes etc. and now the chair. That's the next level for people like me to debunk when we're trying to make arguments for why their feelings are valid, but, there can be exceptions if the race is handled properly that they are okay with and no longer feel uncomfortable in those specific situations. This mostly comes as a result of new people coming to the game, skipping cutscenes etc. and not having a ready archive of every speech/topic that Yoshi-P has addressed and all they have is friends telling them lalafell are children because of x and x reason. So you have to retrain/educate people to make their own choice instead of just being part of the mob and that's one less voice to deal with when you can address every concern they have meaningfully.