Yoshi-P lied

[R041]

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We're not disagreeing that it's within our own will to keep or lapse a sub, and to own a house. But it doesn't take away from the fact that it's FOMO encouraged, and to lose that achievement is devastating overall. Plenty of things are within our own will but are still encouraged by FOMO and take advantage of that will.

We're brick walls arguing with each other. Stop telling people to not be upset. That's the problem.

It's not that we have our own will. It's that we retain the right to be upset about shitty systems. Especially when they're engrained into the fiber of how MMORPGs themselves work. Especially when XIV is widely praised for even having housing. But for some reason you feel it's necessary to say otherwise. Even though you also admit that it's shit to some degree. You're so adamant to telling people that they shouldn't enjoy the things they've worked toward. So why even engage in this discussion, what are you really trying to gain?

Do you see how that makes you seem like more of a petty troll? When you're just arguing for the sake of argument. Your point is meaningless in the grand scheme, because we all know that to be a fact. But it doesn't change how we feel about these things.

It's literally the same shit as you telling me "Yeah well Yoshi told you to take breaks" when there's no content. Like sure. We can take breaks. But that doesn't take away from the fact that there's nothing to do. Both can be true. Your fact doesn't take away from my fact. So I don't know why it's so important to continue telling me otherwise.

[Byron-Blackfyre]

Trust me. I 100% understand that. All my original point was is that you aren't forced to do anything. It's all within our hands as we know the rules. I never said people shouldnt care about their homes or that some folks didn't go through alot for them. Heck I've never even defended the current system we have. I just believe in taking responsibility for my own actions. I went through hell to get my home but I choose to do all of that knowing the situation around housing. I lost that very house I went through hell for some years ago because I decided to take a very long break from xiv. Was it unfortunate? Ofc. But I made that choice n blame no one for that loss but me. My current home I've kept up with. Told myself I'm not losing another home especially as I just happened to get this randomly and it's literally right next door to my partners (obtained pre lottery as well). And to put it out there I'm 100% for instanced housing so all can share in the experience of homeowning

it's really cool that you managed to get a house next to your partner. well, if we're both in favour of instanced housing then we agree on the same principles for the most part.
I wish you an excellent day.

-eastern bow-

[Vahlnir]

We're not disagreeing that it's within our own will to keep or lapse a sub, and to own a house. But it doesn't take away from the fact that it's FOMO encouraged, and to lose that achievement is devastating overall. Plenty of things are within our own will but are still encouraged by FOMO and take advantage of that will.

We're brick walls arguing with each other. Stop telling people to not be upset. That's the problem.

It's not that we have our own will. It's that we retain the right to be upset about shitty systems. Especially when they're engrained into the fiber of how MMORPGs themselves work. Especially when XIV is widely praised for even having housing. But for some reason you feel it's necessary to say otherwise. Even though you also admit that it's shit to some degree. You're so adamant to telling people that they shouldn't enjoy the things they've worked toward. So why even engage in this discussion, what are you really trying to gain?

Ikara is like a few posters around here. They will argue in circles with you until you give up out of frustration, and say that you need to chill as they continue to rile you up. I guess that's considered a win? It's not really about being right. It's about having the last word. But yeah, I don't really engage with them if I can really help it.

[remiff]

he didn't really lie, there are still a lot of resources left on FF14, but currently they are put in quality of life changes, in 'chill'sanctuary island' content which is not pve content
the implementation of AI to do Solo dungeons, and very expensive projects like the upcoming graphics update for 7.0 .

On the other hand for the pve content it is true that the quality of a large part of the instances and boss fights and jobs deteriorated at endwalker, but as regards the loss of content it is already the case since shadowbringer except that you had bozja in addition, but no deep dungeons, no criterion dungeon and no real equivalent to the sanctuary island except ishgard for crafter.

[Sheriyana]

Also for the person under me, the moment you put false labels on someone for having a different opinion you immediately become someone not worth listening to. And yall want to preach empathy lol
"Empathy for me but not for thee". Good joke.

Did not argue about empathy at all, literally don't care about whether you can empathize or not. Only thing I'm pointing out that you're arguing nonsense that no one here has even implied. Now let's put this in the most simple way I can. Yes, you're not forced to do anything in the game BUT if you want to keep your house you kind of are forced to keep subbing. What is there to argue?

[SannaR]

Ikara is like a few posters around here. They will argue in circles with you until you give up out of frustration, and say that you need to chill as they continue to rile you up. I guess that's considered a win? It's not really about being right. It's about having the last word. But yeah, I don't really engage with them if I can really help it.

But Ikara isn't saying that RO41 can't enjoy the things they do in the game. Ikara also isn't showing a lack of empathy either. They did the same things went through the same things. Yet because they say they will be fine mostly in the long run that if for some reason the servers shut down later today or something came up to the point their sub went lax for so long that they lost their in game house that they're some how not showing empathy. Or that they're some how telling RO41 that they're not allowed to enjoy the thing(s) they enjoy in the game. They're just saying that you can still enjoy your house, but you realistically shouldn't be as attached to it as some are. Which is probably an unhealthy thing to do. You shouldn't get so attached to something digital to the point where if you lost it tomorrow it's going to affect you so badly that you'll be a sobbing hot mess for the next week or whatnot.

[Vahlnir]

You shouldn't get so attached to something digital to the point where if you lost it tomorrow it's going to affect you so badly that you'll be a sobbing hot mess for the next week or whatnot.

That I can agree with. If I were to lose my house, yeah I'd be disappointed, maybe a little salty, but I'd get over it.

Be she wants to be more righter for some reason.

And I agree with this as well.

[R041]

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It's not even that I'm obsessively attached. But you read what she went through. You think that's an enjoyable experience? I like housing enough to never want to go through that shit again, so I'm encouraged to keep my sub active so that I can both enjoy this content and not have to lose my mind. I'm not quitting, I'm bored. If I didn't want to play anything but combat* then yes I'd just quit completely. But that's not the case.

It's just lack of understanding and empathy. We can both be right. Be she wants to be more righter for some reason.

The discussion is really just:

Me: "I wish I could unsub and not worry about the things I worked for."
Them: "Why do you care?"
Me: "Because I care.."
Them: "Yeah, but you shouldn't care"
Me: "Sure, but I still care."
Them: "Yeah but come on, just quit and leave it all behind."
Me: "Nah.. I care just enough."
Them: "But Yoshi is gonna delete it anyway"

You see how dumb that is? lol

"Why enjoy life, when you know the universe will explode"

You are obligated to agree with the conditions of a contract in Real Life. The same sense of obligation is agreed upon when you play a video game, whether it has a subscription or not.
You want a house, knowing about demolition and the requirements for a subscription to prevent it? Either you are obligated to fulfill the conditions for the house, or you decline the contract.
What is there to argue?

"Yeah well you signed the contract, HOA has the ability to take your home if you don't pay the $20 fee"

Sure, but it's still fucking stupid. lol

Do people here just blindly follow and are okay with all contracts and obligations? Now I know why capitalism is destroying us.

[DPZ2]

Now let's put this in the most simple way I can. Yes, you're not forced to do anything in the game BUT if you want to keep your house you kind of are forced to keep subbing. What is there to argue?

You are obligated to agree with the conditions of a contract in Real Life. The same sense of obligation is agreed upon when you play a video game, whether it has a subscription or not.

You want a house, knowing about demolition and the requirements for a subscription to prevent it? Either you are obligated to fulfill the conditions for the house, or you decline the contract.

What is there to argue?

[Vahlnir]

You are obligated to agree with the conditions of a contract in Real Life. The same sense of obligation is agreed upon when you play a video game, whether it has a subscription or not.

You want a house, knowing about demolition and the requirements for a subscription to prevent it? Either you are obligated to fulfill the conditions for the house, or you decline the contract.

What is there to argue?

So you literally just went into slightly more detail about what they said. What is there to argue indeed.