Well I think we at a new low .

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Yeah let me just unsub and pray for patch is good in 4 months, oh wait my house is now gone

This has weirdly become the Go-To Defense. Your shackled to a videogame your not really enjoying....still paying a subscription despite hardly playing....all because of a Virtual House.

Its just weird, and sounds unhealthy

Yoshida needs a wake up of reality and realize that FFXIV isn't all rainbows and sunshine and there things that need to be addressed and highly wanted but instead gave us crap content like a Island sanctuary that died in less then a month

Is it really crap content if people are enjoying it though?

[caffe_macchiato]

This has weirdly become the Go-To Defense. Your shackled to a videogame your not really enjoying....still paying a subscription despite hardly playing....all because of a Virtual House.

Its just weird, and sounds unhealthy

The only solution is to learn to live without FFXIV. Once we move on from this game in a mental sense, we lose the need to come back. We replace our precious virtual house with something better. The game will cease to be a permanently-online world like WoW, GW2, etc. and more like a trendy seasonal game that fizzles out quickly after a new update. At this point, it's clear that FFXIV was never meant to be the former and ought not to be treated as such. If Square Enix truly cares about money, they'll change their tune, but something tells me they really don't. And if they don't care, why should we?

Perhaps unsubbing for a good portion of players is the wisest solution, and not just briefly, but for a good long while. This game is replaceable; our time isn't. FFXIV is just a product that'll die anyway. People need to move on from it just like the millions who moved on from World of Warcraft when things went sour.

[R041]

This has weirdly become the Go-To Defense. Your shackled to a videogame your not really enjoying....still paying a subscription despite hardly playing....all because of a Virtual House.

Its just weird, and sounds unhealthy

Because XIV has made housing THE game at this point. CBU:III has developed that unhealthy relationship with our need to be social with items and a virtual building we can design. They then FOMO it so that we have no real ability to re-gain that true end-game unless we stay subbed.

How are we not allowed to be upset at that fact? It's fine that other people can basically let that content go, but anyone that's actually played long enough know that it's not just something you let go of.

It'd be like if The Sims deleted your house every time you stopped playing, then when you wanted to play again after a few months it made you do a lottery to get it back. It's the same basic idea. Especially when we know there isn't much other content to keep us occupied otherwise, it makes The Sims part of XIV basically the only thing we can do.

If we eventually get proper instanced housing, something like WildStar (Bless their heart), then it wouldn't be this way and we could all live comfortably knowing we can unsub when there's no combat content.

We gain nothing for praising FOMO, we all lose as players because of it. Let us be upset at that, so we can grow and be a better game. Please.

[Jojoya]

We gain nothing for praising FOMO, we all lose as players because of it. Let us be upset at that, so we can grow and be a better game. Please.

No one is praising FOMO.

What we're trying to tell everyone is that you must cure yourself of FOMO. Thousands of other players have managed to walk away from the game over the years despite owning a house. FOMO didn't control their lives.

I do know how hard it is. I spent a while breaking a way from WoW. What's more funny is that in my case all those super rare hard to get things I had acquired are still sitting there waiting for me: Headless Horseman's mount, "Love Rocket" mount (can't remember what they renamed it to in the wake of #MeToo), Benediction/Anathema that could no longer be obtained after Cataclysm's release, old Vanilla crafting recipes with unique models that were removed from the game so made me a small fortune when transmog was added, and on and on. Those things mean nothing to me now even if others might still "ooooo" and "ahhhhh" over them. I have no desire to return to the game just to revisit them. They are the past.

Let the house demo and it's not longer being held over your head, tying you to a game you no longer enjoy and likely will not in the future. I don't see SE making radical changes to content design nor going back to old systems that only benefited those with too much time on their hands.

Instead of being the prey of FOMO, passively submitting because you fear to change things in your life, become the predator. That is what helps games to become better - players seeking out the ones that "taste" good then pouncing on them instead of passively accepting what they feel is no better than week old roadkill even if there was a particular part that tasted good. Except in this case that part is like your appendix. Whatever function it might have had in the past, you really don't need it anymore.

In the meantime, I'm about to log into FFXIV because I'm still having fun in the game and have lots of things I want to be doing instead of things I feel obligated to do simply because I've paying $14/mo for the past 6 years for server access.

Please, do yourself a favor and log into a game that is fun for you instead of worrying about one that isn't.

[R041]

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TL;DR Jojojoyoyayaoyo

Already told you I lapsed 3 subs, and I'm lowering the Retainer count. I'm keeping my houses, you can't have it. I also have another on Gilgamesh.

ERP weebs ain't taking my castles for their sex parties.

[TomsYoungerBro]

This has weirdly become the Go-To Defense. Your shackled to a videogame your not really enjoying....still paying a subscription despite hardly playing....all because of a Virtual House.

Its just weird, and sounds unhealthy

A gross misunderstanding and frankly an indirect ad-hominem attack on those who have that genuine complaint. If someone is taking a break for X amount of time to come back to the game, then they still find the game enjoyable enough to invest time into it. However, unlike the white knights on this forum, people would also like to save money while not playing a game for X amount of time. Doing that requires you to unsub which would forfeit your house in 45 days (since you cant access it in that time). It's really a simple concept

[Midareyukki]

This has weirdly become the Go-To Defense. Your shackled to a videogame your not really enjoying....still paying a subscription despite hardly playing....all because of a Virtual House.

Its just weird, and sounds unhealthy

People put in effort into those houses, it's trashy to see them go to waste. All because despite people saying "Oh you can just take a break", that's the achievement you lose. And getting a house back is beyond garbage.

First, the loss of a plot means you just wasted 3m+ you probably farmed for just like that.
Then you need to go all the way back to the start and compete with so many other players who want a house as well.
If you have anything larger than a Small, the loss is higher.
Plus, ok sure, you lost the house, but you resub and "you can just get another one". a) what, to lose it again, and b) what, and spend a decent portion of that time without the house?

Like, I agree. It's unhealthy to only remain in a game just because of a virtual house. It's even borderline pathetic really. But in the event I return to this game, there are things I'd like to do with my house. I'd rather keep it for the time I feel invested in the game, even if I decide to take a break. A break does not translate into a complete loss of interest for the game, and believing it does is easily ten times more pathetic and unhealthy.

What's actually unhealthy is the restriction being put in place, let's be honest. But that's a talk for another topic. Likely to be regurgitated and re-debated next time someone doesn't win the housing raffle and complains in the threads again. Likely with someone being like "It's a good thing we have this timer, because that frees up houses" instead of acknowledging we need a better design philosophy rather than repeating the same mistake over and over again.

Imagine if you spent all that time playing Pokémon, finished your pokédex, but then just because you didn't load the game in X time, you lost all that progress. Sure, you can just go back and do it all over again... but what's the point in that? You likely wouldn't want to do that again either. It's just a digital collection, who cares, right? Well, true, it's a digital achievement, it's as flimsy as it can get. But there's a principle for the consumer somewhere there, part of enjoying the game and the rewards/achievements that come with it, even if they're just personal. And a game not respecting that is just as backwards as caring too much about it, you know?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

A gross misunderstanding and frankly an indirect ad-hominem attack on those who have that genuine complaint. If someone is taking a break for X amount of time to come back to the game, then they still find the game enjoyable enough to invest time into it. However, unlike the white knights on this forum, people would also like to save money while not playing a game for X amount of time. Doing that requires you to unsub which would forfeit your house in 45 days (since you cant access it in that time). It's really a simple concept

Its not an ad-hominem attack if its true. With my post being a direct response to somebody who literally mentioned losing their housing if they take a break.
I think I understood that quite well...doesn't stop it from being weird, or sounding Unhealthy.Yes you should take a break if you arnt having fun...it sounds like we both agree here, but you are fighting me about it XD

Because XIV has made housing THE game at this point. CBU:III has developed that unhealthy relationship with our need to be social with items and a virtual building we can design. They then FOMO it so that we have no real ability to re-gain that true end-game unless we stay subbed.

How are we not allowed to be upset at that fact? It's fine that other people can basically let that content go, but anyone that's actually played long enough know that it's not just something you let go of.

It'd be like if The Sims deleted your house every time you stopped playing, then when you wanted to play again after a few months it made you do a lottery to get it back. It's the same basic idea. Especially when we know there isn't much other content to keep us occupied otherwise, it makes The Sims part of XIV basically the only thing we can do.

If we eventually get proper instanced housing, something like WildStar (Bless their heart), then it wouldn't be this way and we could all live comfortably knowing we can unsub when there's no combat content.

We gain nothing for praising FOMO, we all lose as players because of it. Let us be upset at that, so we can grow and be a better game. Please.

...no, that is COMPLETELY false, YOU, and many other people decided Housing was the Game, its really not that important.
But I understand its hard enough to get one, and they didnt develop the best system so everyone could have one in the 1st place.
However its completely false, and insane to say Housing is THE game.
Neve rmade an argument that you can/cant be, my point is its weird and unhealthy to feel so shackled to a game BECAUSE of a House.

Nobody Praised FOMO, man, always funny when people create nonsense like this out of thin air.
We arnt even arguing about "A better game" we are talking about people paying a sub and logging on just for their housing.

People put in effort into those houses, it's trashy to see them go to waste. All because despite people saying "Oh you can just take a break", that's the achievement you lose. And getting a house back is beyond garbage.

First, the loss of a plot means you just wasted 3m+ you probably farmed for just like that.
Then you need to go all the way back to the start and compete with so many other players who want a house as well.
If you have anything larger than a Small, the loss is higher.
Plus, ok sure, you lost the house, but you resub and "you can just get another one". a) what, to lose it again, and b) what, and spend a decent portion of that time without the house?

Imagine if you spent all that time playing Pokémon, finished your pokédex, but then just because you didn't load the game in X time, you lost all that progress. Sure, you can just go back and do it all over again... but what's the point in that? You likely wouldn't want to do that again either. It's just a digital collection, who cares, right? Well, true, it's a digital achievement, it's as flimsy as it can get. But there's a principle for the consumer somewhere there, part of enjoying the game and the rewards/achievements that come with it, even if they're just personal. And a game not respecting that is just as backwards as caring too much about it, you know?

If Im finished playing Pokemon, Im finished.
Maybe Im different, but I dont very often return to games Im done with, unless it is TRULY special. And in that case, I wouldn't mind re-experiencing it and starting over.

The point the other 2 people are missing here is, Im not saying this is an OK system, not at all. It is trash, and the Devs know it.
Just that: as we agreed, its pretty weird...Im not sure if Ill say Pathetic, but Unhealthy, to Feel The NEED to keep wasting money or keep coming into a game you arnt enjoying, just for that House.

Oh you lapsed your sub? Let me just take "The Necromancer" title away from you. You can start over when you come back tho!

Ok now you are just getting silly.

[Midareyukki]

Its not an ad-hominem attack if its true. With my post being a direct response to somebody who literally mentioned losing their housing if they take a break.
I think I understood that quite well...doesn't stop it from being weird, or sounding Unhealthy.Yes you should take a break if you arnt having fun...it sounds like we both agree here, but you are fighting me about it XD

I'm not "fighting", first of all. Don't be so aggressive. I'm literally not in the mood to fight anyone, and I really don't think fighting the FF14 community is productive at all.

I'm just saying that it's not so clear-cut, a lot of people actually do hold some value to what they achieve in a videogame. It's just that the game should respect that in turn, and this limitation isn't doing that.

If you finish Pokémon and call it at that, cool for you. You're not wrong in doing so. Several people, myself included, spend a lot more time afterward completing the pokédex, getting shinies, clearing the rest of the game. And I'm not wrong in doing so either. Same as owning a house in this game.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I'm not "fighting", first of all. Don't be so aggressive.

...Bruh
That was Directed at @TomsYoungerBro
Or is that secretly an ALT?

Also...what Aggression? I said we Agree on these things...