Change/Remove Lalafell "Lifter"...

[Midare]

Imagine, if you would, someone being dumbfounded that their lalafell isn't being allowed into a bar venue. Not even one of a billion brothels, but a bar. Everyone there is going to end up with the mental picture of the little guy taking a swig. There are people out there who have chosen to play a toddler-adjacent character, and wanted to get their sippy on because they don't see the issue. There are also people out there that pick the toddler-adjacent character to go to the same bar with hopes of ERPing. Might even be with another toddler-adjacent character. How do you tell in advance which is which?

Here's a suggestion:

If you see a short person walking into a venue and getting hammered before they start dancing, and think that's "uncomfy", then that's a you issue, not the issue of the short person. I don't dress my character as a child and I don't have my character behave as a child, because she's not a child and if you or people like you can't understand this, this is still a you issue and not a me issue or the issue of any other lalafell player.
And you know what you do with a you issue? You handle it yourself instead of putting others through a bad time because you can't handle it... you know, like an adult should.

[LostUser]

Here's a suggestion:

If you see a short person walking into a venue and getting hammered before they start dancing, and think that's "uncomfy", then that's a you issue, not the issue of the short person. I don't dress my character as a child and I don't have my character behave as a child, because she's not a child and if you or people like you can't understand this, this is still a you issue and not a me issue or the issue of any other lalafell player.
And you know what you do with a you issue? You handle it yourself instead of putting others through a bad time because you can't handle it... you know, like an adult should.

Here's a suggestion:

Apply your made-up scenario to this actual chair scenario and utilise the same logic for a resolution.

If you see an item that you don't like but plenty of other people have no problem with it, that's a you problem, regardless of whether some other people agree with you or not; you aren't being forced to use the item, and you aren't being forced to like the item.

So... what do we do when something is a you problem? We get over it like well-adjusted adults do.

We're going to get people with differing opinions and, frankly, yours is no more valuable than that of anybody else.

Instead of calling for the item to be changed to suit your tastes when other people have already said that they like this, you should be calling for another item to be made that is more to your tastes. You effectively said it yourself; why should others be restricted because of a you problem?

Get over it... you know, like an adult should.

[Midare]

Here's a suggestion:

Apply your made-up scenario to this actual chair scenario and utilise the same logic for a resolution.

If you see an item that you don't like but plenty of other people have no problem with it, that's a you problem, regardless of whether some other people agree with you or not; you aren't being forced to use the item, and you aren't being forced to like the item.

Oh don't you worry, I don't plan on using it and will pretend it doesn't exist for all I care.

But if I see someone using this exact same item as further leverage for more arguments about how "Lalas are just children", then interestingly, that's no longer a me issue, it's an issue that SE is perpetuating by giving ammunition to people who indeed make their own view other people's problems.

And I hope that since you seem to agree that people should handle their personal issues themselves, you will also call those doing that out (because they will emerge).

Or, you know, it would be very hypocritical otherwise.

P.S.: Oh also, while we're at it, how about you start by calling out those complaining about a complaint or those calling others "childish" while using childish retorts. I mean, it's only fair.

[LostUser]

Oh don't you worry, I don't plan on using it and will pretend it doesn't exist for all I care.

But if I see someone using this exact same item as further leverage for more arguments about how "Lalas are just children", then interestingly, that's no longer a me issue, it's an issue that SE is perpetuating by giving ammunition to people who indeed make their own view other people's problems.

And I hope that since you seem to agree that people should handle their personal issues themselves, you will also call those doing that out (because they will emerge).

Or, you know, it would be very hypocritical otherwise.

P.S.: Oh also, while we're at it, how about you start by calling out those complaining about a complaint or those calling others "childish" while using childish retorts. I mean, it's only fair.

People can, and will, utilise anything incorrectly.. it's just a fact of life. That doesn't make it a problem for SE beyond dealing with the very few reports they'll get about it. It will still be a "you problem" for not liking how others use something, or a them problem for using it in a way that is forbidden (abuse, for example). Unless it's a fairly significant proportion of people utilising it for that purpose, then it's not an issue that needs dealing with in any way other than with a handful of bans and warnings.

As for people coming here to complain about a complaint, they have just as much right to complain about the complaint as OP did to complain about the item in the first instance. Obviously, there's no room for bullying/harassment within that scope, and people shouldn't be resorting to that for any reason whatsoever, but the fact remains that you can't have one side expressing their opinion whilst simultaneously telling the other side that they're not allowed to express their opinion.

Personally, I think this entire thread should be deleted and OP should start a new thread asking for a new item that caters to the part of the community that don't want their characters to resemble children in any way beyond stature -- that's not something anybody would have a valid reason to argue against since it isn't taking anything away from anyone. In all honesty, though, they could fix this entire issue by simply allowing full re-colouring of the item so that it optionally appears less child-like. Anybody continuing to cry about it having lalafell in the name needs a healthy dose of reality and quite possibly some professional help.

Edit: I actually slightly misspoke there; The people coming here to complain about OP's complaint have more of a right to complain than OP does, really, since they're trying to avoid having something taken away from them as OP is calling for. Hence my suggestion that a new thread be started asking for something without taking anything away from other players.

[Pyshiro]

Don't engage/feed the trolls calling us jokes and children, their mind is well made up and harming the discussion since they're only here to spout nonsense and cause drama.

I respect everyone who has come in to say the chair is good and fine to them, but man is it clear the lack of respect from most tols here lol

[Pratini]

Don't engage/feed the trolls calling us jokes and children, their mind is well made up and harming the discussion since they're only here to spout nonsense and cause drama.

I respect everyone who has come in to say the chair is good and fine to them, but man is it clear the lack of respect from most tols here lol

Calling other people who disagree with you as “trolls” is kind of a CHILDISH behavior.

Just saying.

[Pyshiro]

Calling other people who disagree with you as “trolls” is kind of a CHILDISH behavior.

Just saying.

I can't believe this is a real thread.

Go outside and touch grass, weirdo.

Complains about the "lala are babies" stereotype while crying like a baby about pixels in a videogame.

Go figure.

There is no meaningful discussion to be found here. All I see is name calling and belittling. Think you should look in the mirror.

[Midare]

People can, and will, utilise anything incorrectly.. it's just a fact of life. That doesn't make it a problem for SE beyond dealing with the very few reports they'll get about it. It will still be a "you problem" for not liking how others use something, or a them problem for using it in a way that is forbidden (abuse, for example).

Mind you, it's not simply a matter of me just "not liking it". If that's all there was to it, I wouldn't even be here. There's a lot of things in game that I don't like and not once I've complained, neither here or in general. Things change a lil bit when we legitimately have people ruining other people's time in game because they decided to make their issue other people's problems and, as stupid as it may sound, people will make use of this one instance as ammo to, you guessed it, make their issues other people's problem. I'll be the first one to suggest to just "report and move on", but guess what, that won't solve anything in general.
People are people and people will have dumb ideas or will project their weirdness on others, there's nothing anyone can do about it. One thing that would help is, I don't know... not giving those people extra ammo.

As for people coming here to complain about a complaint, they have just as much right to complain about the complaint as OP did to complain about the item in the first instance.

Indeed, but if you seem to believe this is not something that is such a big deal, then what is the purpose of complaining about a complaint? Sure, they have the right to do it, but that doesn't help either nor contributes anything since most times, they have no other argument other that "lmao bunch of children".

Personally, I think this entire thread should be deleted and OP should start a new thread asking for a new item that caters to the part of the community that don't want their characters to resemble children in any way beyond stature

First and foremost... the fact that you're conflating stature with age it's just mind boggling to me. Since when those are synonymous?

And second. No. The OP already edited the main post and also suggested simply a change, which I'm also more inclined to. The item doesn't need to go, but the name/description should be tweaked.

Also you're telling me they have more right? Have you read the responses at all? They're not even here to defend the item being there, they're here to just complain that the complain exists in the first place while calling those with the concern childish, while also using the phrasing a high-schooler would use.

Your double standards are showing.

[LostUser]

One thing that would help is, I don't know... not giving those people extra ammo.

Right, so what you actually mean to say is that you don't want any item in-game that can be misused or misconstrued in any way whatsoever? Got it. Grab me some candyfloss whilst you're all the way up there in the clouds, will you? The grass will still be here, waiting for you, when you're ready to come back down to Earth.

Sure, they have the right to do it, but that doesn't help either nor contributes anything

The purpose of complaining about the complaint is to show disagreement with the people wanting to take something away from the people who actually like it, which is a far better use of time than crying over something that you aren't forced to interact with.

First and foremost... the fact that you're conflating stature with age it's just mind boggling to me. Since when those are synonymous?

First and foremost... the fact that you think I'm conflating the two is just mind boggling to me. Since when did I say they're synonymous?

I said what I said. If you're having a hard time understanding why an extremely short character designed in a toddler-like fashion resembles children in any way whatsoever then I think you've got more pressing issues to worry about.

Maybe go back and read what I said again, and you'll see that I wasn't conflating anything.

They're not even here to defend the item being there, they're here to just complain that the complain exists in the first place while calling those with the concern childish, while also using the phrasing a high-schooler would use.

Your double standards are showing.

You don't get to police how other people choose to show their disagreement as long as it isn't abusive or harassment. If they want to show their disagreement with OP by using high-school sarcasm, jokes, or by talking about how pointless the feedback post is, that's their prerogative and you need to get over it.

There's no double standard here, you're just seemingly incapable of seeing why you're defending the wrong perspective. The item doesn't need changing in any way whatsoever. IF people misuse it on a mass scale, sure... but trying to pre-emptively declare it as a source of evil just because you disagree with how "should" have been made in your opinion is pretty pathetic.

Why should this item be taken away from people who do like it just because some of you don't? Has anything bad happened yet? Are thousands of people Eorzea-wide trapping lalafellin folk in high chairs and torturing them with incessant sweet-eyes and "awws" right as we speak?

If you want a different high chair, ask for a different high chair and stop being so selfish and egotistical as to expect things to be changed to suit your tastes.

It appears to be your double standards that are showing.

[Midare]

Right, so what you actually mean to say is that you don't want any item in-game that can be misused or misconstrued in any way whatsoever? Got it.

Now you're saying words I didn't say. Of course anything can and will be misconstrued. In the case of this item it's far too on the nose to give people who conflate height with age the exact kind of ammo they want while they continue to ignore the constant evidence in the story and Yoshi-P's own words.

The purpose of complaining about the complaint is to show disagreement with the people wanting to take something away from the people who actually like it

If you've actually read the responses, you'll see it's been nothing but people complaining about the complaint itself and not mentioning at all whether the item should remain or not. But hey, that would require you seeing things in a fair light and clearly, that's not your goal here.

the fact that you think I'm conflating the two is just mind boggling to me. Since when did I say they're synonymous?

I didn't think that, you've said it, in fact, you're saying it again. You're doubling down by calling it "toddler-like". Lalafell are short and cute, like a chibi, if you are conflating that with toddlers, that is, once again, a you issue.

You don't get to police how other people choose to show their disagreement as long as it isn't abusive or harassment.

Yet this whole exchange started because you took issue with a snarky remark on my part. Again, your double standards, they're showing.

There's no double standard here, you're just seemingly incapable of seeing why you're defending the wrong perspective.

And what exactly makes you think you're right? We're already seeing it here. The demeaning comments, people telling others they should fantasia to "correct the mistake" that is playing a lalafell. But no, please, tell me more about how you don't have any double standards and you totally don't have an issue with people simply asking to not give ammo to people like that.

Why should this item be taken away from people who do like it just because some of you don't?

...Which is why I don't think it should be removed, but its name and description tweaked. I said this at least three times, twice directly at you.

If you want a different high chair, ask for a different high chair and stop being so selfish and egotistical as to expect things to be changed to suit your tastes.
It appears to be your double standards that are showing.

I did... but you didn't bother reading that, you instead jumped to police me over a snarky remark instead of policing the people passing ad-hominems are proper arguments. But yeah, no double standards here.