Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
In terms of number of buttons, SMN routinely uses (in a 1 min cycle, single target fight) a comparable amount to WAR. WAR uses 10, I believe (1-2-3, -4, Upheaval, Infuriate, Inner Release, Onslaught, Primal Rend, Fell Cleave), Fell Cleave pulls some double duty (like Gemshine) but is still only one button. So again, SMN is more complex than the "simple" Job of the Tank role, which is again fitting since WAR has those tanking duties to attend to (even if they're much reduced from past expansions), in raw number of buttons, anyway. In terms of interactions, they're still pretty comparable, since SMN's kit is all about interactions as Gemshine and Astral Flow effects are tied to what you're doing on the Primal side of the house.
WAR has to be in melee range for every GCD except Fell Cleave to do its peak damage, SMN has to be in melee for 1 GCD and has to cast for 3-4 GCDs. Slipstream saturation I would equate to deciding whether it's worth it to use an Onslaught outside of buffs. WAR also has a self-buff to maintain. Other than these factors they both press the buttons that light up, and the other ones on CD. Ergo, WAR is more involved than SMN even before you start to add defensive CDs and tank responsibilities.

Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
Suppose, for the sake of argument, Old SMN was still in the game and they had added some new Job to the game - let's call it "Caller" or "Evoker" (let's go with Evoker because it doesn't sound as lame). EVK was added with exactly the rotation, visual effects, etc that New SMN has, maybe with a few name changes, maybe not, doesn't matter.

You'd still have Old SMN in the game with some random new thing tacked on somewhere to the kit. We can even pretend that it works well and didn't cause the whole thing to collapse in on itself.

What SPECIFICALLY would then be your problem with Evoker being in the game? That "bad players" or something would be able to competently play content?
I would still hate it, because I think it's a half-assed, shit design. Don't really need your false assumptions as to any other reasons why I might not like it.

Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
objectively
lol