BLM DPS

[Vortagh]

Hi All !!!
i know, i know.... i'm attacking Yoshida main class.... :-)

BLM is my main class also and i like it very much. My point is this : The only 2 class that does'nt have anything for the group is BLM and SAM... so the only raison we should have a BLM in a group is for it's BIG DPS right ?

But if all the others DPS class do as much (and often more) DPS as BLM do, what is the purpose to have a (poor) glass canon in the group like a BLM ??

So, to counter that, what do you think of the idea that BLM shoud do, let's say, 10% more DPS that the other class and SAM a 5% ? (it's harder to play BLM right and can't cast when moving)

What are your thoughts ?

[Mikey_R]

While I haven't looked at the stats, I have to ask, what metric are you using to measure this? rDPS or aDPS?

[Ggwppino]

Currently the blm has the same damage as a melee class, however the blm often competes for both caster and melee positions, so actually that's already the case.

[SeiyaSoiya]

ever since my static smn dropped out and we got a blm we are consistently ripping through all the TOP dps checks

of course, it's from an experienced blm who knows how to optimize the class well

but the difference is s
certainly noticeable

[Vortagh]

my point is not that BLM do not do damage.....

I know that BLM have a nice DPS quite even with other DPS class...

My point is that Why shoud a group take a BLM (with a good DPS like a lot of other class, yes BUT no other advantage) vs all the other class that do the SAME DPS but have some advantage...(SMN, RDM, NIN, RPR, BRD, etc .....)

So because BLM bring NOTHING more, i think BLM shoud do more DPS that other class

(and i don't speak about DPS on a dummy.....)

[VictorSpoils]

my point is not that BLM do not do damage.....

I know that BLM have a nice DPS quite even with other DPS class...

My point is that Why shoud a group take a BLM (with a good DPS like a lot of other class, yes BUT no other advantage) vs all the other class that do the SAME DPS but have some advantage...(SMN, RDM, NIN, RPR, BRD, etc .....)

So because BLM bring NOTHING more, i think BLM shoud do more DPS that other class

(and i don't speak about DPS on a dummy.....)

Because having a caster makes everyone 1% stronger and it's stronger than SMN and RDM.

[Ggwppino]

my point is not that BLM do not do damage.....

I know that BLM have a nice DPS quite even with other DPS class...

My point is that Why shoud a group take a BLM (with a good DPS like a lot of other class, yes BUT no other advantage) vs all the other class that do the SAME DPS but have some advantage...(SMN, RDM, NIN, RPR, BRD, etc .....)

So because BLM bring NOTHING more, i think BLM shoud do more DPS that other class

(and i don't speak about DPS on a dummy.....)

In my opinion the point of view is wrong. The rDPS (damage considering buff) of the blm, even without buff, is still far greater than the other casters. Rightly since it is more complex to optimize it.
So if a party has to choose to bring an expert blm or an expert rdm, the expert blm is better to pass the checks more easily. In addition, an expert blm, can replace any melee Clearly this is a consideration for a hypothetical clear.
For a prog it might actually be different because there might be other considerations: ress available if potentially more useful than rDPS and/or speed with which you can actually optimize damage during newly learned mechanics for example. So even if you add rDPS, these considerations still apply.

[Turtledeluxe]

In my opinion the point of view is wrong. The rDPS (damage considering buff) of the blm, even without buff, is still far greater than the other casters. Rightly since it is more complex to optimize it.
So if a party has to choose to bring an expert blm or an expert rdm, the expert blm is better to pass the checks more easily. In addition, an expert blm, can replace any melee Clearly this is a consideration for a hypothetical clear.
For a prog it might actually be different because there might be other considerations: ress available if potentially more useful than rDPS and/or speed with which you can actually optimize damage during newly learned mechanics for example. So even if you add rDPS, these considerations still apply.

I like how you add in the utility if RDM to undermine your own post and highlight TCs concerns.

TC you aren't going to get any support on the forum. The player base isn't concerned with balancing the game. The average player likes that combat is a free for all DPS zerg now because to the average player that's "fun".

Like this post is basically saying "Oh do you have a problem? Well just be an expert (which is different for any given raider) . For other classes, utility will help you stay relevant."

[Ggwppino]

I like how you add in the utility if RDM to undermine your own post and highlight TCs concerns.

TC you aren't going to get any support on the forum. The player base isn't concerned with balancing the game. The average player likes that combat is a free for all DPS zerg now because to the average player that's "fun".

Like this post is basically saying "Oh do you have a problem? Well just be an expert (which is different for any given raider) . For other classes, utility will help you stay relevant."

I'm sorry, I can't follow your argument
The blm has to compete with 2 casters that have ress, it's factual, and it's a situation they will always have, even if they have infinite dps. There will be statics that will prefer to be more cautious and have some ress and there will be statics that will prefer not to have problems once they get to enrage because they will have so much more dps. Am I saying the wrong things? I do not think so. Also I'm attributing to blm the fact that it's a class that has a much more complex optimization than the other classes, and here again I don't think I'm wrong. Not for this the blm, having the same damage if not higher than that of melees, currently can very well replace a melee in a party. I'm doing it wrong? I do not think. I'm also stating that with the same skill the blm overpowers any other caster in rDPS, even without buffs, I don't think I'm wrong.

[NullPointerException]

[BLM vs] all the other class that do the SAME DPS but have some advantage...(SMN, RDM, NIN, RPR, BRD, etc .....)

If you play BLM and do similar or lower damage (yes, even rdps) to a similarly geared RDM or BRD, the issue is probably user error. If you are referring to DPS in fights, perhaps look into your timeline and find places where you can squeeze out more casts, or use a different spell speed you are more comfortable with.

I'd say BLM and SAM can use some help now, but what of RDM and BRD? Those are actually the classes people are ditching now.