Simple changes that would tremendously help PvP

[Valence]

What’s the point of a ranked mode when people literally win-trade and cheat their way up?

You also don’t need to play ranked to see the core failures of a PvP mode. It’s similar to the «you need to play 1000h and the game gets good!» argument. Why would I waste more of my time when other games do it much much better ?

It’s fine if you enjoy it, I honestly don’t and for good reason : plenty of better options out there with actual PvP focus and regular work done with updates.

None of them are MMOs because it’s genuinely the worst genre for PvP. Tried it with many MMOs and the conclusion is the same everytime.

Why are you shifting the goalposts? I was replying on the supposedly low ceiling of the mode, but now you're changing your position and telling me that having to play to actually get some skill is tantamount to wasted time. So, make up your mind? Do you want a mode with a good skill expression and high ceiling that requires practice to get good at, or do you want a mode with no ceiling that you can master after 10 hours?

If other modes do it better for you, then by all means, don't waste your time on this mode that you despise instead of whining here when you don't even have approached what the mode actually has to offer at higher level? Like, I could understand that somebody that actually cares about the game, the mode and everything, but has serious issues with the design or whatever, would give feedback and complain about it, but somebody that has decided that pvp in MMOs is the worst and that XIV pvp has always been bad anyway, it truly boggles the mind.

[True-to-Caesar]

Why are you shifting the goalposts? I was replying on the supposedly low ceiling of the mode, but now you're changing your position and telling me that having to play to actually get some skill is tantamount to wasted time. So, make up your mind? Do you want a mode with a good skill expression and high ceiling that requires practice to get good at, or do you want a mode with no ceiling that you can master after 10 hours?

If other modes do it better for you, then by all means, don't waste your time on this mode that you despise instead of whining here when you don't even have approached what the mode actually has to offer at higher level? Like, I could understand that somebody that actually cares about the game, the mode and everything, but has serious issues with the design or whatever, would give feedback and complain about it, but somebody that has decided that pvp in MMOs is the worst and that XIV pvp has always been bad anyway, it truly boggles the mind.

I already answered to your low skill ceiling question (and other users too), streamlined job skillsets, very few amounts of skills to use and therefore ways to counter/react to situations. Because outside of job skills, ways to react are limited (retreat with sprint, wall hugging etc.).

You asked me if I play ranked, just said no, because there’s no value in it to me here. Players devalue ranked by themselves here, so it doesn’t help to make it attractive.

As for « somebody decided that MMOs are bad for PvP », should I remind you which genres are popular for PvP in both extremes of casual play and esport scenes ? Numbers are there, and I’m not surprised because after 20+ years of playing MMOs they always have the same issues regarding PvP, it’s the genre with all its factors that make it horrible to play. There might be a day one studio makes something good, but they’ll really have to shake up the table to get there.

Again, if you like FF PvP, good for you. I’m just saying it’s bad compared to many other (and often free) options.
It’s why they revamped FF PvP completely because the participation was abysmal.