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    Bobby66's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxCarnage View Post
    You would only do it then because you know you wouldn't be caught. If there was a chance you could be caught, you wouldn't do it. Just knowing they can give you a ticket.

    It's the same with mods. People know they are "illegal", so they hide them. Don't need to hide something if it's okay.
    Isn't that the nature of selectively enforced rules? It less about the chance and more so the probability. It is a risk assessment, the cost has to outweigh the gain on a majority bases for some to feel the risk is not worth it. Say someone offers you a job that is illegal and has a 25% of you getting caught, but the payout was 1 billion in cash, and even if you are caught roughly only 15% of the cases even lead to a convection, and even if you are convicted at most you are facing 2 years in a prison on average and at worse you are looking at 15 years and at best you are looking house arrest and probation. This was a question our business ethics professor liked to ask, using it as a means to show why fraud is so massive in finance cost the cost of punishment rarely outweighs the gain for most people.

    He would honestly argue most if they really thought about it logically would take the risk in this case. This is largely what happens in most video games when it comes to cheating more often then not the punishment does out weigh the benefit. As my professor said it is about working smarter not harder, give up at worse 15 years to make one billion in cash or be honest and grind out day in and day out and be lucky if you make enough to retire at with a couple of million when you are way past your prime.

    Point he was trying to make hate the game not the player. Often times the benefits for cheating, breaking the law, when done right often provide a net positive that largely enhance the experience or life of the person that did the wrong doing in the long run. As he said does it make it right? No, but most certainly we would all be fools to pretend we do not understand the logic behind it, and in the case of the my professors example many of us probably wish we had to the balls to go that far.

    Cheating is an issue cause it is a hard issue to enforce, it has to be selective by nature of how it is detected. SE created this monster, and they know deep down they know they have no good answer. So they will still use the same talking points but largely ignore it. We can get salty but for the most part the average player that cheats and streams most likely will not even get a warning.
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    Last edited by Bobby66; 02-20-2023 at 09:00 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Okay boomer.

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    CrimsonThunder's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    Isn't that the nature of selectively enforced rules? It less about the chance and more so the probability. It is a risk assessment, the cost has to outweigh the gain on a majority bases for some to feel the risk is not worth it. Say someone offers you a job that is illegal and has a 25% of you getting caught, but the payout was 1 billion in cash, and even if you are caught roughly only 15% of the cases even lead to a convection, and even if you are convicted at most you are facing 2 years in a prison on average and at worse you are looking at 15 years and at best you are looking house arrest and probation. This was a question our business ethics professor liked to ask, using it as a means to show why fraud is so massive in finance cost the cost of punishment rarely outweighs the gain for most people.

    He would honestly argue most if they really thought about it logically would take the risk in this case. This is largely what happens in most video games when it comes to cheating more often then not the punishment does out weigh the benefit. As my professor said it is about working smarter not harder, give up at worse 15 years to make one billion in cash or be honest and grind out day in and day out and be lucky if you make enough to retire at with a couple of million when you are way past your prime.

    Point he was trying to make hate the game not the player. Often times the benefits for cheating, breaking the law, when done right often provide a net positive that largely enhance the experience or life of the person that did the wrong doing in the long run. As he said does it make it right? No, but most certainly we would all be fools to pretend we do not understand the logic behind it, and in the case of the my professors example many of us probably wish we had to the balls to go that far.

    Cheating is an issue cause it is a hard issue to enforce, it has to be selective by nature of how it is detected. SE created this monster, and they know deep down they know they have no good answer. So they will still use the same talking points but largely ignore it. We can get salty but for the most part the average player that cheats and streams most likely will not even get a warning.
    You're not wrong that in the end we live in a dog eat world but choosing to be honest is a personal principle that has meaning to those who do it, no matter what form it takes. That's not naive, it's just trying to be better than the system we live in.
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