Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[LianaThorne]

It is correct, people modding in completely new outfits is making the creation of outfits on behalf of SE just as pointless as third party tools do for raids. You cant have it both ways or you just sound like someone trying to mental gymnastics their use of cosmetic mods being okay.

In the grand scheme of things, if someone wants to put a hat on their Viera...who really cares? If that genuinely bothers anyone that much then priorities need to be re-evaluated. Also, modded outfits don't make SE-created ones pointless or do you think people just stand around in Limsa to enjoy the sea breeze?

Plugins also aren't all just cheating in raids, there are several that provide accessibility options that the vanilla game does not, allowing more people to play the game without difficulties. All plugins shouldn't just be treated as bad because some actually should be in the game by default.

If someone wants to cheat during world first, that's a problem. If people want to make the game a bit easier for them to play or enjoy different character customization, cool. Doesn't ruffle my feathers.

Unless Square actually changes their mind and puts in some form of cheat detection, the ToS isn't able to be enforced properly. It relies on community intervention.

[Daibunnie]

Sounds like a group of trash players who cheat. Good riddance lol

Probably still better than you even without a camera hack.

[Kansene]

Probably still better than you even without a camera hack.

But not good enough to clear an ultimate without one. ;O

[Ath192]

Probably still better than you even without a camera hack.

Yeah this is complete misinformation here. World proggers aren't bad raiders who are good because they cheat. These people are extremely strong raiders that cheat to enhance their performance even further. Lots of athletes dope to improve their performance in competitions. That doesn't mean that if they stopped doping they couldn't run circles around you anyways.

It is cheating though, no doubt, and for world race purposes, it should definitely not be tolerate imo. Because that is a competition.

[Kazhar]

No that is incorrect, SE has even said so. Players are circumventing difficulty by using mods, meaning if the design teams wants to make truly difficult content they would need to account for players having mods making the game easier. They obviously dont want to do this as it would force players who dont use mods to get them to complete content. This is why WoW is the way it is. They allowed mods, people got used to playing with them, and now to make challenging content they have to consider them or the content they create will be too easy.

If anything, the reverse is happening. I've seen many people criticizing TOP because the really high number of priority mechanics greatly encourage the use of auto-markers in environments where voice chat isn't an option. And the high difficulty of the content so close to DSR hasn't been exactly welcome either, as many hoped it would be closer to TEA's difficulty and citing P1 as being extremely exhausting rather than fun.

[Nobuyuki_Sanada]

If anything, the reverse is happening. I've seen many people criticizing TOP because the really high number of priority mechanics greatly encourage the use of auto-markers in environments where voice chat isn't an option. And the high difficulty of the content so close to DSR hasn't been exactly welcome either, as many hoped it would be closer to TEA's difficulty and citing P1 as being extremely exhausting rather than fun.

I hear you, but then shouldn't the feedback be "make the fight better" not "allow me to cheat (use mods) so I can clear this!" Mods are often created because of a poor design choice. I don't support the use of zoom hack but I do think it highlights a poor design decision in making mechanics that are hard to see. Most people arguing for mods to be accepted are really just arguing the wrong point. They want to bypass issues themselves instead of asking SE because they have more control over mods than SE.

[Saraide]

The mods you use to make yourself look different don't affect what other people see. If it made the outfits your wearing visible to others they would absolutely have issue with it. You sound like someone who just doesn't want to accept the fact mods are cheating.

Yea and people having mare lamentorum in their adventure plate just really like the area lol.

[LianaThorne]

I hear you, but then shouldn't the feedback be "make the fight better" not "allow me to cheat (use mods) so I can clear this!" Mods are often created because of a poor design choice. I don't support the use of zoom hack but I do think it highlights a poor design decision in making mechanics that are hard to see. Most people arguing for mods to be accepted are really just arguing the wrong point. They want to bypass issues themselves instead of asking SE because they have more control over mods than SE.

I feel like this is kind of irrelevant as long as Square has a firm stance on not adding anti-cheat. Even if fights were made as braindead as possible that a 5 year old could clear, it's not going to stop the existance of plugins or people using them.

[Nobuyuki_Sanada]

Yea and people having mare lamentorum in their adventure plate just really like the area lol.

I like how we were talking about modding outfits and you jumped over to adventure plates. Who's doing the gymnastics now

[Saraide]

I like how we were talking about modding outfits and you jumped over to adventure plates. Who's doing the gymnastics now

I love how confidentely you admit to not knowing what I'm talking about.