Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[Avoidy]

>he kept it to himself
>he streamed it tho
??? isn't this putting your whole group at risk?
oh shit, did I just bite the hook? my bad

[Absimiliard]

Ah, more "third-party tools are cheating" bait. This one seems to have been rather successful.

[Nobuyuki_Sanada]

If they were streaming and using mods at the same time they are just asking to get banned. We and SE don't want to have to create content with the mindset that players will need to use mods in order to complete the content. Normalizing the use of mods is bad. Cosmetic mods are widely accepted because they have no bearing on the design team at SE and how they create content. If the goal of the SE team is to make difficult content but the content they create is too easy because of mods then it becomes a problem. Forcing players to use mods is a way of gatekeeping new players. It creates a barrier of entry in the learning process that is not good. Creating fights around mods is a terrible design decision. Mods are in the hands of creators outside of SE so you have no control over what they can or cannot do. Fights in the future may become impossible if the mod loses support. It also becomes really hard to argue what is acceptable to not acceptable, eventually leading to mods that actually do play the game for you. This all is the reason for the no tolerance policy on mods. They can't really stop you unless you publicize your use of it but to keep the game in a desirable state they have to try.

If your friends don't understand this and think it's harmless then that is on them. I would just point out that if they want to keep pushing the issue you could report his/her stream. It also sounds like more happened than OP let on. To ban/block without any kind of request doesn't sound like something someone does to a friend they have been playing with for awhile.

[Saraide]

If they were streaming and using mods at the same time they are just asking to get banned. We and SE don't want to have to create content with the mindset that players will need to use mods in order to complete the content. Normalizing the use of mods is bad. Cosmetic mods are widely accepted because they have no bearing on the design team at SE and how they create content. If the goal of the SE team is to make difficult content but the content they create is too easy because of mods then it becomes a problem. Forcing players to use mods is a way of gatekeeping new players. It creates a barrier of entry in the learning process that is not good. Creating fights around mods is a terrible design decision. Mods are in the hands of creators outside of SE so you have no control over what they can or cannot do. Fights in the future may become impossible if the mod loses support. It also becomes really hard to argue what is acceptable to not acceptable, eventually leading to mods that actually do play the game for you. This all is the reason for the no tolerance policy on mods. They can't really stop you unless you publicize your use of it but to keep the game in a desirable state they have to try.

If your friends don't understand this and think it's harmless then that is on them. I would just point out that if they want to keep pushing the issue you could report his/her stream. It also sounds like more happened than OP let on. To ban/block without any kind of request doesn't sound like something someone does to a friend they have been playing with for awhile.

Wait wait wait why dont cosmetic mods have no bearing on what SE designs? They literally sell outfits and mounts.

[Nobuyuki_Sanada]

Wait wait wait why dont cosmetic mods have no bearing on what SE designs? They literally sell outfits and mounts.

They don't create outfits and mounts with your mods in mind at all. They are making those regardless.

[Saraide]

They don't create outfits and mounts with your mods in mind at all. They are making those regardless.

The exact same logic applies to raids.

[Nobuyuki_Sanada]

The exact same logic applies to raids.

No that is incorrect, SE has even said so. Players are circumventing difficulty by using mods, meaning if the design teams wants to make truly difficult content they would need to account for players having mods making the game easier. They obviously dont want to do this as it would force players who dont use mods to get them to complete content. This is why WoW is the way it is. They allowed mods, people got used to playing with them, and now to make challenging content they have to consider them or the content they create will be too easy.

[Themarvin]

I lead a raiding static, we are doing TOP and got to phase 3. Alt character for anonymity purposes

Recently a member streamed and showed himself using a zoomhack, so I swiftly and immediately kicked him from the static, reported him and blocked him.

Yet now after 3 days trying to find a replacement, some members of the static started arguing with me and 2 of them left.

They say that it was petty of me to eff over the progress of 6 other people just to get rid of a cheater.

They say that it's okay that he cheats because he kept to himself and never talked about it.

My other raiding friends also told me what I did was a really bad idea.

So now the group that was going so well is breaking apart and it's my fault, however I don't think I did anything wrong, cheating is forbidden by the ToS.

First off it is not ok if he cheats because if taken in it and you guys was in the group it will in short backfire back on everyone who took or benefitted from it, knowing it or not knowing it.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

People keep sayi g it doesn't effect others. I'm pretty sure the use of third party tools in ultimate directly contributed to me not being able to place or remove markers in combat now.

[Azuri]

People keep sayi g it doesn't effect others. I'm pretty sure the use of third party tools in ultimate directly contributed to me not being able to place or remove markers in combat now.

This and other delusions from people who have zero clue what third party tools can and cannot do.

And while we are on the topic, yes, placing markers in combat did indeed help clear an ultimate. It was done manually, though.