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  1. #341
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    Quote Originally Posted by PintyMcEars View Post
    Guess what? Solimiano is on FFlogs...le gasp!
    isnt everyone who was in a party that recorded dps appear in FFlogs, even if you didnt do it yourself?
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  2. #342
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    isnt everyone who was in a party that recorded dps appear in FFlogs, even if you didnt do it yourself?
    Yes. The poster earlier said that anyone on fflogs should be banned, even if they did not upload themselves. I was just pointing that out
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  3. #343
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    Quote Originally Posted by PintyMcEars View Post
    Yes. The poster earlier said that anyone on fflogs should be banned, even if they did not upload themselves. I was just pointing that out
    How nice of them. gcbtw
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  4. #344
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    And? As I pointed out earlier, not every rule is valid. Some rules are down right harmful to others
    You also said unnamed didn't cheat despite yoshi-p and SE disagreeing with you so your opinion isn't exactly valid
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  5. #345
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcg55ss View Post
    You also said unnamed didn't cheat despite yoshi-p and SE disagreeing with you so your opinion isn't exactly valid
    Yes, because an unfair advantage wasn't present. Unless that IS present it doesn't matter what Yoshida says. That's a fact, not an opinion. Do educate yourself of the difference
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  6. #346
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    Quote Originally Posted by PintyMcEars View Post
    Guess what? Solimiano is on FFlogs...le gasp!
    Youre the one telling me that, I don't visit or use third party mods or websites, but thanks for confirming
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  7. #347
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    Yes, because an unfair advantage wasn't present. Unless that IS present it doesn't matter what Yoshida says. That's a fact, not an opinion. Do educate yourself of the difference
    Any tool that gives information other competitors might not have in game is cheating. Even parsers. Zooming out gives you holistic views of mechanics that help understand and see things better than others. That is a cheat. This wouldn't even be an argument in other games. Imagine being able to zoom out and overhead in COD to see where the other players are running. That would be a serious cheat. The limited level of zoom is a limitation that players need to overcome. Not cheat over.

    Even parsers are cheating. They provide a level of information that allows a player to improve their performance and finetune their substats with an exact degree, something that most players wouldn't be able to achieve without access to such tools. As a consequence players who have seen their parses and theorycrafted and melded based on the numbers being output by their parses do enjoy a performance advantage over a player who has cleared content and has a general idea of their performance but nowhere near the same level of precision as cold hard numbers.

    Personally employing anti cheat would be a waste of time and resources because FFXIV isn't a competitive game. And even if add ons didn't exist content sellers would. So they could buy a clear and sport a weapon even without a single add on installed.

    If people want to subtract from their personal satisfaction and cheat at the game they are only cheating themselves out of the accomplishment. The other subset of people affect by this are the envious ones, that prefer to look at others and judge instead of having fun. Since those are the only two factors at play here, it doesn't make sense to invest into anti cheat.
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  8. #348
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    Any tool that gives information other competitors might not have in game is cheating. Even parsers. Zooming out gives you holistic views of mechanics that help understand and see things better than others. That is a cheat. This wouldn't even be an argument in other games. Imagine being able to zoom out and overhead in COD to see where the other players are running. That would be a serious cheat. The limited level of zoom is a limitation that players need to overcome. Not cheat over.

    Even parsers are cheating. They provide a level of information that allows a player to improve their performance and finetune their substats with an exact degree, something that most players wouldn't be able to achieve without access to such tools. As a consequence players who have seen their parses and theorycrafted and melded based on the numbers being output by their parses do enjoy a performance advantage over a player who has cleared content and has a general idea of their performance but nowhere near the same level of precision as cold hard numbers.

    Personally employing anti cheat would be a waste of time and resources because FFXIV isn't a competitive game. And even if add ons didn't exist content sellers would. So they could buy a clear and sport a weapon even without a single add on installed.

    If people want to subtract from their personal satisfaction and cheat at the game they are only cheating themselves out of the accomplishment. The other subset of people affect by this are the envious ones, that prefer to look at others and judge instead of having fun. Since those are the only two factors at play here, it doesn't make sense to invest into anti cheat.
    Allow me to tell you about the future.

    Someone is going to use false equivalence to tell you that a widescreen monitor is cheating.
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  9. #349
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    Atelier-Bagur's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    Any tool that gives information other competitors might not have in game is cheating. Even parsers. Zooming out gives you holistic views of mechanics that help understand and see things better than others. That is a cheat. This wouldn't even be an argument in other games. Imagine being able to zoom out and overhead in COD to see where the other players are running. That would be a serious cheat. The limited level of zoom is a limitation that players need to overcome. Not cheat over.

    Even parsers are cheating. They provide a level of information that allows a player to improve their performance and finetune their substats with an exact degree, something that most players wouldn't be able to achieve without access to such tools. As a consequence players who have seen their parses and theorycrafted and melded based on the numbers being output by their parses do enjoy a performance advantage over a player who has cleared content and has a general idea of their performance but nowhere near the same level of precision as cold hard numbers.

    Personally employing anti cheat would be a waste of time and resources because FFXIV isn't a competitive game. And even if add ons didn't exist content sellers would. So they could buy a clear and sport a weapon even without a single add on installed.

    If people want to subtract from their personal satisfaction and cheat at the game they are only cheating themselves out of the accomplishment. The other subset of people affect by this are the envious ones, that prefer to look at others and judge instead of having fun. Since those are the only two factors at play here, it doesn't make sense to invest into anti cheat.
    Please stop feeding FireMage. He's a gfaqs troll.
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  10. #350
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Please stop feeding FireMage. He's a gfaqs troll.
    I miss BroJobs aka Titanmen, now that was someone with class, at least.

    Now we're forced to 'revel' in this... Whatever this... Is.
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