Change SCH Dissipation

[Deceptus]

Wanting to keep Dissipation for "complexity reasons" really isn't a valid argument.
SCH went from "complex" with dot managment and fairy micomanagment to nothing, Clinging to this ability just because it's a remnant of a better era doesn't help the job and if it was be be removed, healers are so easy to balance now it would be replaced with something equal or greater instantly, be it damage or heal wise.

The concept of It being one of the only tool for skill ceiling doesn't help when its a problem for the whole role and not just SCH.

Also telling people to "go play SGE" if they don't like it isn't fair and to that I raise you a "if you want complexity, go play DPS instead" that we all love.

QFT

Scholar is themed around tactics and battle planning, not synergy. .

They aren't and haven't been for a long time (since at least 5.0)

[Renathras]

Scholar is themed around tactics and battle planning, not synergy.

Did you not read any of the SCH quests or even their lore blurb?

"In an age long past, when mankind flourished under the radiance of arcane mastery, the island of Vylbrand was home to a city-state called Nym. Though the history of that age tells of countless wars waged with earth-shattering incantations, it was the brilliant strategic maneuvering of Nym's scholars that allowed their mundane army of mariners to throw back would-be conquerors time and again. These learned men and women defended the freedom of their tiny nation with their unique command over spell-weaving faeries, utilizing the creatures' magicks to heal the wounded and bolster the strength of their allies."

(Source: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/scholar/ )

It's in the Job tagline. All of the SCH quests have you working with Eos, including her and you both channeling healing magics. The final and capstone SCH quest at level 80, where you cure your first Tonberry, has you and Eos side by side channeling healing magics together. Every part of SCH's lore says "Tactician that works with your Faerie partner". Exactly zero parts say "Eat your Faerie partner for power". Dismiss is effectively the same thing; you're effectively draining/consuming her for power. That's much more of a necromantic or warlock-ish trait, not a SCH one.

Wanting complexity is fine.

Wanting clunk and pretending it's complexity is stupid.

Rather than elevating the other healers to scholar’s level, you want to also kill scholar?

Removing clunk is not going to "kill scholar". And "elevating the other healers to scholar's level"? Come now, that's just a low energy posting. At the very least, AST is already at that level, and arguably has more planning required than SCH, both on a strategic/operational level (CD planning) and on a tactical level (execution with timing, such as Earthly Star or Horoscope or Macrocosmos all having timing elements involved between initial execution and when you need the abilities to go off). So at the very least, AST is on or above SCH's level, and Dissipation or its alteration doesn't change that.

Sage’s entire identity is “easy scholar” so that is a pretty valid option.

No, SGE's entire identity is "heals by doing damage augmented by weaker outright heals than most other healers but a strong mitigation kit with high uptime to smooth damage and make it manageable when planned". Further:

"The nation of Sharlayan is the cradle of knowledge, and the Studium its foremost institution of learning. Yet more so than its incomparable library and formidable assemblage of Archons, this prestigious academy is famed for blending traditionally distinct fields to produce revolutionary new disciplines. Among these, perhaps the most distinguished is an altruistic art which draws upon the wisdom of aetherology, sorcery, and medicine. Dubbed somanoutics, the art seeks to heal and protect by manipulating corporeal aether through the use of nouliths, a flying array of foci. Practitioners are dedicated to the betterment of mankind, and for their wisdom and compassion, eventually came to be known simply as sages."

I don't see "easy scholar" there in the description anywhere. Maybe I'm just missing it. Can you show me where the words "easy scholar" appear in SGE's tagline? I'd like to see where you're seeing it, but...but I don't even see the word "easy" in that description. Or the word "scholar". So maybe you need to reevaluate your position.

Further, if you ever find yourself considering saying "Go play X", that's your mental hint to reevaluate your position and also to not say it.

Or you know you could just think for a second beforehand.

Or, you know, you could just actually read things, not make up things, and also not defend clunk as a form of challenge/skill/complexity/identity?

You really trust SE to delete a skill from a healer and then give us something better in exchange at this point?
Have the last few years taught you nothing?

I mean, they made Misery damage neutral and improved Lilybell, so it's not exactly unheard of.

to AF generating fairy gauge (only synergy remaining in 5.0+).

Agreed with basically all of this post other than this bit. SCH is a mess, but it has some other synergy abilities, which are the things I most like about the Job. Recitation, Deployment Tactics, Emergency Tactics, Fey Illumination, Protraction, and if you can break through the clunk and make meaningful use of it, Dissipation's positive sides (anti-synergy aside) all allow for synergy between abilities. They went the wrong way with Fey Blessing (they should have removed the CD, or stuck a shorter one like 20 sec, but preferably removed, and left the Gauge cost so the Gauge would have a second use and you could stock burst AOE healing that way if you wanted to), but there is some potential there.

There's still some complexity with several of the Healer Jobs - SCH and AST both have a lot of planning and skill expression/ceiling (just not in damage output so much), such as an AST solo healing an Ultimate - but again, clunk is not complexity.

QFT

Hear hear.

[RyuDragnier]

Agreed with basically all of this post other than this bit. SCH is a mess, but it has some other synergy abilities, which are the things I most like about the Job. Recitation, Deployment Tactics, Emergency Tactics, Fey Illumination, Protraction, and if you can break through the clunk and make meaningful use of it, Dissipation's positive sides (anti-synergy aside) all allow for synergy between abilities. They went the wrong way with Fey Blessing (they should have removed the CD, or stuck a shorter one like 20 sec, but preferably removed, and left the Gauge cost so the Gauge would have a second use and you could stock burst AOE healing that way if you wanted to), but there is some potential there.

They could probably just make Dissipation remove fairy gauge like Fey Union, but make the fairy pulse fey blessing (a far less version) every tick, and giving an AF stack every 3 ticks (30 gauge used). Like an embrace that hits the entire party, but they can't do anything else while it's being used, unless you toggle it off. That at least gives another use for the fairy gauge and Dissipation is a lot better for use, while still allowing its capabilities to give AF. It also makes it more of a tactical decision that still locks you out of fairy moves, but only until you toggle it off or you run out of gauge.

[Renathras]

it was the brilliant strategic manoeuvring of Nym's scholars that allowed their mundane army of mariners to throw back would-be conquerors time and again

"These learned men and women defended the freedom of their tiny nation with their unique command over spell-weaving faeries, utilizing the creatures' magicks to heal the wounded and bolster the strength of their allies."

You can't take one part out that says what you want and ignore the rest. The word strategic doesn't include eat your allies for power.

You're also (largely) quoting from the Arcanist class quests, not the SCHOLAR ONES. Arcanist evolves into Summoner, not SCH (they have different color icons), but even so, neither Summoner nor Scholar are Arcanists.

And would you like me to go through every SCH quest pointing out where Lily is mentioned and you working with her is pointed out in some way? Obviously, I could do so if you want to, but do I really need to?

Why shouldn't I recommend the job you're trying to turn scholar into when it clearly already exists?

Okay, I'll bite:

How does removing Dissipation turn SCH into SGE?

Does removing Dissipation cause Broil, Biolysis, Art of War, Ruin 2, and Energy Drain to heal your Kardia target? Do you even have Kardia on SCH...? I didn't think you did, but you're saying it'd be just like SGE without Dissipation, so that must mean when you get on SCH, you use Kardia on your tank, right?

Does removing Dissipation make your broken Adlo shields generate a charge of a damaging attack that does the same damage as a single Broil largely used as a movement tool but can be used for a ridiculously minor DPS gain on trash packs?

Does spending Aetherflow give you 7% MP back?

Do you have a collection of Aetherflow spenders that allow you to maintain 45 out of 60 seconds of 10% mitigation of a target of your choosing without blowing any of your non-AF "real" CDs?

I forget, did SCH get a gap closer that you can target on any ally or enemy for a lot of movement advantages?

Can SCH cast Barriers on party members while moving without blowing Swiftcast or a long CD?

Which SCH ability applies a refreshing Barrier on the whole party with 5 charges that protect against 5 attacks and provide a heal on the end for any unused barrier stacks?

Which SCH ability applies a refreshing Barrier on a single taret with 5 charges that protect against 5 attacks and provide a heal on the end for any unused barrier stacks?

Which SCH ability allows consuming of existing shields on party members to provide a burst heal?

What's the name of the SCH ability that boosts the amount of healing their Tank receives via their Kardia whenever they cast Broil?

Does removing Dissipation arm SCH's with nouliths and turn their attack animations into lasers?

Which SCH ability does a GCD's worth of damage to the enemy while popping a big heal on the party?

Does removing Dissipation make Ruin 2 a damage gain over Broil that's also AOE but requires near-melee range to use?

Does removing Dissipation remove Energy Drain and the interplay between providing extra healing and mitigation or choosing to do damage for a bit of optimization if your CDs and healing plan are managed well?

Does removing Dissipation rob SCH of the ability to remotely heal by placing their healing pet? (Ironically; USING Dissipation is what does THAT...)

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SGE is superficially like SCH, but they are far from identical. Memes are good fun until people start to think they're accurate reflections of reality.

They could probably just make Dissipation remove fairy gauge like Fey Union, but make the fairy pulse fey blessing (a far less version) every tick, and giving an AF stack every 3 ticks (30 gauge used). Like an embrace that hits the entire party, but they can't do anything else while it's being used, unless you toggle it off. That at least gives another use for the fairy gauge and Dissipation is a lot better for use, while still allowing its capabilities to give AF. It also makes it more of a tactical decision that still locks you out of fairy moves, but only until you toggle it off or you run out of gauge.

Honestly, that's a better idea. Still anti-synergy, but at least it isn't anti-Job lore at the same time and does something useful as a bonus.

[RyuDragnier]

Honestly, that's a better idea. Still anti-synergy, but at least it isn't anti-Job lore at the same time and does something useful as a bonus.

It's the only way I can think of for fixing Dissipation under SCH's current iteration. Still hoping for a rework eventually that adjusts SCH to feel better...again, would prefer if AF was gone and the fairy gauge was used for everything, though I admit it would result in Fey Union and Dissipation having to be redone, but everything else would easily transfer over IMO (especially if all the fairy abilities filled the gauge by differing amounts and if ED was just 2 charges of a 300 potency attack).