Change SCH Dissipation

[Nizzi]

Nahh, ED isn't that fun.

AST cards are fun since it's productive downtime for extra damage for the party.
SGE's many attacks are fun.
WHM's Presence of Mind into Glare spam is fun (of the spammy I WILL DESTROY YOU nature).
SCH's ED? You don't touch it unless you know you don't need the AF stacks anytime soon or AF is coming off cooldown. Otherwise it just sits there, and if you just use it nilly willy you get punished for it. That ain't fun.

None of what you listed is fun at all (to me).
AST cards are insanely overwhelmingly boring with no thought, applying a flat % damage buff on people isn't my idea of fun at all, it's meaningless busywork.
SGE doesn't have any more attacks than any other healer, and Phlegma is insanely boring and interacts with literally nothing, unlike Energy Drain.
Presence of Mind is more Glare spam, but if you think that kind of thing is fun, more power to you.
ED is a skill thats usage changes per fight and per optimization, and as you grow more comfortable with a fight and your cohealer and healing plan, you get to use more. Different strokes for different folks, but Energy Drain isn't punishing at all. I'm simply in the camp that doesn't find meaningless, boring buttons like Glare or Phlegma fun.

[SylvAlternate]

honestly I don't really see a problem, it's fun trying to figure out when it's safe to Dissipate your faerie to get some extra damage in (although sometimes it's a bit too easy, like with the line mechanic in RubiEX)

if anything they need to buff Energy Drain to make this more important, or maybe make it give you a buff that powers up Energy Drain into a higher potency and AOE Energy Siphon

[Renathras]

if anything they need to buff Energy Drain to make this more important, or maybe make it give you a buff that powers up Energy Drain into a higher potency and AOE Energy Siphon

I think they explicitly made it weak because they don't want SCH gameplay to be about trying to maximize Energy Drains. They outright removed it because of that, and they only returned it because SOME players (not all, though) wanted it back, but made it minimal so the ones that don't want to engage with it are still able to do comparable output (though they also...aren't)

I can't see them doing the exact opposite of that.

[WaxSw]

No, it wasn't. I was playing it at the time!

It was ANNOYING, not "unplayable" nor "nigh unplayable". They even baked the MP restoration into AF, so ED has no effect on that.

EDIT: I think my issue with people's arguments here is less often that they're outright mistaken about things (though that's sometimes true), but more often that they strongly overstate their positions. SCH was not "nigh unplayable". It was "somewhat annoying and feelsbad"

Sorry but this is heavily downplaying how Sch was without ED and I can't believe someone who has played it says it. Using 5.0 as example of what no ED meant:

-Lower MP per minute as Aetherflow didn't restore as much as previously and we lost quickened aetherflow
-No dps free way to use Aetherflow stacks as weaving back then had a dps cost
-No dps free way of weaving anything outside biolysis, including the fairy skills
-No way of using Aetherflow without overheal when healing was unnecesary

This, coupled with higher mp costs lead to:

-Sch struggling in AoE situations and with low piety builds as the mp cost was too much for Sch even when perfectly managing its tools if the fight was too long
-Sch using Aetherflow and its heals much less often as it was much harder to weave them without dps loss
-Sch using the fairy skills much less often too, similar to Aetherflow weaving them was always a lost
-Sch using the fairy gauge even less than the previous two systems as the less use of Aetherflow meant less gauge generation and similar to the fairy skills it was always a dps loss
-Recitation being an underused skill since what it gave wasn't really that worth it (deplo was nerfed, no current fight back then required it and it didn't gave a significant boost to aetherflow heals)
-Seraph being also fucked as it requires 3 weave slots so either you do bio->swift->summon seraph->gcd->consolation x2 or you'll always eat a dps loss
-No priorization whatsoever, if you were to heal it didn't matter if you used fairy or aetherflow heals

Sch has 3 healing systems, GCDs, Fairy skills and Aetherflow skills, and without Energy Drain all of them were hurted to the point of players avoiding them as much as possible. If having a design that encourages players to avoid the beating heart of a job is not leaving it in a nigh unplayable state idk what else can be

The worst part is that all of us saw it coming from way before that point and it only takes minimal healing knowledge to realize the huge problems it was but SE didn't listen as usual

[Iedarus]

The worst part is that all of us saw it coming from way before that point and it only takes minimal healing knowledge to realize the huge problems it was but SE didn't listen as usual

And it's so cute how they mock other devs for "not playing their own game" when they themselves are no better. They have no idea how healers in this game play on a fundamental level.

[fulminating]

They returned it because scholar was nigh unplayable with its mp restoration button removed.

[RyuDragnier]

They returned it because scholar was nigh unplayable with its mp restoration button removed.

Considering how it doesn't do MP restoration anymore, I wouldn't be surprised if it's removed again next expansion.

[Silver-Strider]

Considering how it doesn't do MP restoration anymore, I wouldn't be surprised if it's removed again next expansion.

They'll probably try to, see SCH functions terribly without it and return it in the following patch cycle as was the case the last 2 times.

[RyuDragnier]

They'll probably try to see SCH functions terribly without it and return it in the following patch cycle as was the case the last 2 times.

Difference is both other times Energy Drain restored MP. It no longer does (that was changed this expansion), so they'll likely remove it and not give it back again, forcing us to have to spam Lustrate to remove unused AF stacks. Or I dunno, they could do something actually amazing and restore an extra 500 MP for each AF stack NOT used when they're refreshed? I don't think people would care about overcapping if it worked like that (plus extra MP restoration is always nice).

[Silver-Strider]

Difference is both other times Energy Drain restored MP. It no longer does (that was changed this expansion), so they'll likely remove it and not give it back again, forcing us to have to spam Lustrate to remove unused AF stacks. Or I dunno, they could do something actually amazing and restore an extra 500 MP for each AF stack NOT used when they're refreshed? I don't think people would care about overcapping if it worked like that (plus extra MP restoration is always nice).

Yeah but then you're also looking at the negative impact it has on the rest of SCH's toolkit.
Dissipation becomes functionally worthless and Aetherpact takes even longer to fill if you're not overhealing with Lustrate, and if you are, chances are you won't need the heal from Aetherpact to start with.

SCH would need a rework for them to effectively remove Energy Drain but I doubt SE can be bothered to rework any healer not named AST.