Ungendered sit poses, please?

[PyurBlue]

The thread won't go anywhere. Fundementally this comes down to a completionist mindset. They might not ever use it but it just bothers them that there is possibly some gear or pose or animation that they cannot have. They want all of the options on their main character and want to be a completionist about this game, whether or not they will acutally use them.

I guess I'm the only completionist in the world with who doesn't even bother queueing for PvP rewards or doing beast tribe quests. You should know that trying to paint everyone that disagrees you with the same wide brush is bound to fail, as it has every other time you've attempted this.

You must not be getting what I'm saying. I'm not saying have 20 emotes and have most be locked in saying have a bunch for each gender. Have each have 10+ different poses. Offer a greater volume of exclusive variety.

The exact numbers aren't important, I'm trying to say that imposing restrictions on emotes sort of defeats the point of variety because any given character is only going to get a fraction of the emotes that the developers create. I'm assuming you want an equal number of emotes added for each gender in your suggestion right? So if it's 10 per gender, that would be 20 total. If they are divided by gender though, you're still missing out on 10 and they might be the 10 you prefer.

My point about real life stems from the fact that there are limitation on what can be done in a game. I've said this like 3 times now and it's not sinking in. I wouldn't call it a stretch of you think I'm against improvements, I'd call it beyond stupid to come to that conclusion when I already made a suggestion for improvement pages ago. Come on now.

Yes games have limitations, but what limitation specifically prevents emotes from being universal? It's already been mentioned that the devs have a tool to adapt emotes to different body types, and even players have figured out how swap emotes around with mods.

From what I can tell emotes are only locked because of developer choice, not by limitations with the game. I didn't bring up real life to imply that anything possible in reality should be possible in game. I brought it up because I feel like exclusive emotes are a really weird and weak attempt at trying to create the appearance of diversity and uniqueness. If for example races were just "human but X", I'd actually not have a problem with race exclusive emotes. A snake race without legs would be so physically distinct from humans that having their own emotes would make sense. On the other hand, when the biggest difference between two character is where their ears are, it just makes me question why one can make a certain pose while the other can't no matter what? It's not something that makes me pull my hair out, and it doesn't keep me from playing the game, but every time I notice it I'm reminded how it doesn't make any sense.

The game you want is called Phantasy Star Online 2 New Genesis. They got rid of genders in that game and all emotes can be toggled between Type 1 and Type 2 as they're called. Seems far more up your alley and no this isn't sarcasm

There is more to a game than emotes. While I'm happy to hear that Phantasy Star sounds less restrictive when it comes to character options, that alone doesn't mean it's a game I want to play. If my friends aren't there, and I have to level grind a new character from the beginning (less interested in that these days) I'm not likely to switch. Thanks for providing a serious suggestion though.

Given your reasoning in here it seems to stick, you just hate that there's possibly something you can't have, it doesn't matter that there's a suitable and equal alternative you do have, you want everything.

No, I just want what I like and I don't categorize things as being race or gender appropriate. It's that simple.

[VerdeLuck]

I guess I'm the only completionist in the world with who doesn't even bother queueing for PvP rewards or doing beast tribe quests. You should know that trying to paint everyone that disagrees you with the same wide brush is bound to fail, as it has every other time you've attempted this.

Given your reasoning in here it seems to stick, you just hate that there's possibly something you can't have, it doesn't matter that there's a suitable and equal alternative you do have, you want everything.

[Raoabolic]

At this point this thread is dumb and has gone nowhere. Again this isn't real life and no game is going to be able to allow you to "express yourself" 100% how you want. I'm honestly glad my enjoyment of a game isn't tied in any way to how well I'm able to express myself. More important things to worry/care about in xiv

You don't understand, the latency tax and class homogenization is secondary. We have REAL issues here~! lol

[IkaraGreydancer]

You don't understand, the latency tax and class homogenization is secondary. We have REAL issues here~! lol

I'm not trying to meme on people wanting this stuff tbh. But it's quite clear that the devs lean more towards the traditional side of gender roles in games (as per their culture). They already throw certain groups a bone with decisions they make but itl never be full sale. I do personally feel the worry should be elsewhere but ofc different things matter to varying degrees with people.

I'm just happy I'm fine with the traditional wave the game takes after. I wonder if the jp side is asking for this stuff

[Padudu]

You don't understand, the latency tax and class homogenization is secondary. We have REAL issues here~! lol

It's kinda funny how transparent these people are lol

[Bobby66]

Legit question, are those that oppose or are indifferent towards unlocking gendered poses, feel the same way regarding glamour? Why, or why not do you feel this way regarding one and the other. Just wondering, cause my dense self cannot see much of a difference between the two.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Legit question, are those that oppose or are indifferent towards unlocking gendered poses, feel the same way regarding glamour? Why, or why not do you feel this way regarding one and the other. Just wondering, cause my dense self cannot see much of a difference between the two.

I am indifferent to this, and if I understand the question also indifferent to unlocking gender for glamour.

I am someone who greatly prefers traditional gendered behavior as (masculine men/feminine women). But as someone who believes in roleplaying options in a roleplaying game, it wouldn't personally affect me if options were opened up to those who want to use them. (I also am not into men in dresses and things like that also, but still support those who want those options for whatever reason.)

Whether that is an effective use of time for the devs (I have no idea how much work it would take to model poses for each gender) is more for them to decide.

Not everything they work on has to be something I would personally use or enjoy.

[Joven]

If you remember you were called out for stating that one group is small. You had no evidence for this.

Have you paid any attention to my replies to Padudu and to yourself? Padudu brought up the fact that there is a mod that does exactly what this very thread requests and tried to cite it as an example that "a lot of people" were looking for this specifically to be added. However, the numbers provided proved otherwise. 8+ thousand downloads and 30+ thousand views, while not insubstantial numbers on their own, is a drop in the bucket to the estimated 25+ million players. If anything it serves to prove my point.

What I am trying to convey to you, that you seem to be determined to ignore, is that there are proveable numbers to show the interest of this idea and they seem to be on the low side.

So unless you can provide proof to the contrairy it'll take more to "call me out" than just saying "nuh-uh!"

Yes how convenient, the thing you're against simply can't happen and because of that no one should try to make obvious improvements either.

How is this an "obvious improvement"? For it to be "improved" it must have first been lacking or flawed, which it isn't.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Legit question, are those that oppose or are indifferent towards unlocking gendered poses, feel the same way regarding glamour? Why, or why not do you feel this way regarding one and the other. Just wondering, cause my dense self cannot see much of a difference between the two.

Yup. I like the idea of female only/versions of outfits even if it means there's certain male ones I don't get. I can live with that and still find lovely glams to make.

[Hazama999]

I do wish we had all poses available.
Just means more stuff to play with.
That said, if that were the case, I also wish we had a sort of toggle or certain poses you could favorite to cycle between them.