Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

[Zebraoracle]

Someone posted it as a fact in the Housng subforum without providing any source other than "SE following their normal pattern" and it seems to have spread.

Of course what little pattern we've had for district additions would indicate a new one coming in 8.1, not 7.0.

To my knowledge, there's been no announcement made about additional housing beyond what will be part of the new worlds to be added later this year.

While it'd be nice, yeah I feel like that would be a pretty big announcement.

Where even would it be? Sharlayan? Garlemald Restoration?

Wait wait wait, CAN WE HAVE A RABANASTRE RESTORATION FOR A HOUSING DISTRICT???? SQUARE PLEASE

[Midareyukki]

While it'd be nice, yeah I feel like that would be a pretty big announcement.

Where even would it be? Sharlayan? Garlemald Restoration?

Wait wait wait, CAN WE HAVE A RABANASTRE RESTORATION FOR A HOUSING DISTRICT???? SQUARE PLEASE

Bozja restoration.

I mean, what, are we going to inherit a blasted heath and not get to do anything with it? Especially when like Ishgard we're trying to get rid of old cultural habits?

Like, you're striking gold right there. Giant uninhabited wasteland? Look at how many houses that can fit!

Ilsabard? Pfft. Okay sure. Guys, there's a reason why Garleans made a city there. It's about as uninhabited otherwise as the northern half of Canada.

*slaps Bozja* this bad boy can fit so many players

[Joven]

It literally is different - someone smart can have a dumb idea, that doesn't mean they're dumb. I think the idea of data center transferring, especially to a foreign DC, is absolutely unhinged, and you're right, it IS an option. It's a horrible option born out of this terrible situation that Square has caused to happen. Unfortunately, we're stuck with it, cuz like you said in the part of the post I didn't quote, until Square decides to nut up, the situation is not going to be fixed but just have a bunch of bandaids applied to it. Until then, people have to either choose to not engage with housing, or keep trying (through whatever means they deem appropriate) and hope they eventually get lucky.

And sure, people aren't strictly entitled to housing just for paying a sub, surely you can understand how frustrating it is for 1. the game to constantly throw free housing items at you, and 2. housing being one of the main draws of the game and only a handful of people actually get to participate in it.

It was always meant to be a limited item that people could aspire to attain with the market fluctuating as people lost theirs due to demos or moved to another ward. Plots were always supposed to open, but since people are greedy and were able to hoard houses because they didn't impose limits early on and the dev's need to capitulate and try to give everything to everyone through ever increasing ward capacities, they're left bailing water out of a sinking ship. It also didn't help that the population grew to what it is. It took me over 5 years just to be able to look in the direction of a house (mostly because when I started houses weren't even a thing) but even after they were it still took a good while. If I hadn't of gotten one it wouldn't have been a big deal. There's lots of things in the game I'll never get and I'm fine with that, though I agree it's dumb they keep using housing items as event rewards knowing housing is a point of contention

[Corvus_V]

"He said 'piss off a lot of people who already own houses' and since he has a house he's obviously refering to himself as well." Uh, no.

I meant those who already have several houses ie: more than 2, but I shouldn't have to explain that. (I only have 2 FYI)

You're right. I didn't have time to proofread my post before I left, and I hadn't considered that you'd try to make that point because it was never the problem in the first place. Also, that technically is basically already the case; there are just a few outliers like the people on Mateus and Dynamis.

So if plots never come available, like, at all, then what good is even the lottery system? Of course last I checked there were several open plots on the data center I'm on, but I've heard that idea was too much for some people. Unhinged even.

What good is the lottery system? It isnt? That's what I'm saying. Neither is the ward system. They both suck. Maybe it's because you think people are upset about the smalls, exclusively; and you're disregarding anyone else. Or maybe it's because you moved to a data center no one plays on, and you expect everyone else to abandon their friends or FC, because if they don't then they simply aren't taking it seriously enough. Go to a literal foreign data center and deal with foreign ping so you can get a shot at a small. Spectacular, really, and not at all desperate.

So that makes you an expert on how their backend works and what loads their servers can and cannot handle during what events? Ok.

I know enough to know that it's working properly. What's more hilarious is that just as many people are saying "buh nuh servers" whilst also allegedly being just as clueless about it as I am.

[Corvus_V]

It's almost as if resources, ie: time investment, hardware necessities and the such costs money. People certainly aren't going to do it for free. And before you say "they're already paid to do it", they're paid to make the game playable. The game is playable. Everything else takes extra effort which means more resources which means more money.

You truly are out of your mind if you think they're breaking even on Final Fantasy XIV. It's their most profitable game. They literally just made a shoddy port of Gaia's outfit on the mogstation to sell for whatever much a pop; and they re-used assets in Endwalker for quite a lot of gear. You really think they're doing their best? Or do you think it's actually a good thing that they're so awful they use it to keep themselves afloat and nothing else?

You were replying to this:

and started with "And who's fault is that?" After randomly and falsely accusing me of taking the idea of instanced housing personally how else is that to be taken?

The "whos fault is that" is directed at SE. Because it's their fault. I've never held anyone else responsible, not even RMTers or people who hold multiple houses, unlike you. Them acting like sociopaths about it and exacerbating the problem slightly doesn't mean they're the reason people can't find plots. Mainly because they actually aren't the problem, and it's the ward system itself.

As I've said, everything you're saying here has been said almost ad infinitum for as long as housing has been in the game. They're already aware of it. If they were going to address it they already would have.

That's too bad then. Maybe they should take the feedback and address it and make it clear how passive and apathetic they are to how everyone feels about it, so everyone gets a clearer picture about where and how they should be spending their money. They've yet to address it in 2023, post lottery or post 6.3, but since they've opted to try something new and its clear it's unsustainable, it's worth talking about. Also, I'm not going to stop.

[MikkoAkure]

I'm mostly just upset that the person who won the house I bid on over me still hasn't claimed it.

I wish unclaimed bids had their lottery redrawn but instead it's going to end up going up for lottery again if it goes unclaimed and instead of being against 2 other people, I'm going to be against everyone who didn't win before who wants to bid on one of the only remaining houses free in the server.

[Zebraoracle]

It was always meant to be a limited item that people could aspire to attain with the market fluctuating as people lost theirs due to demos or moved to another ward. Plots were always supposed to open, but since people are greedy and were able to hoard houses because they didn't impose limits early on and the dev's need to capitulate and try to give everything to everyone through ever increasing ward capacities, they're left bailing water out of a sinking ship. It also didn't help that the population grew to what it is. It took me over 5 years just to be able to look in the direction of a house (mostly because when I started houses weren't even a thing) but even after they were it still took a good while. If I hadn't of gotten one it wouldn't have been a big deal. There's lots of things in the game I'll never get and I'm fine with that, though I agree it's dumb they keep using housing items as event rewards knowing housing is a point of contention

We're on the same page here. Like I said earlier, it's an awful situation by Square's own design. It just sucks that the players have to either keep beating their heads on a wall or resort to less than ideal solutions.

[Zebraoracle]

Bozja restoration.

I mean, what, are we going to inherit a blasted heath and not get to do anything with it? Especially when like Ishgard we're trying to get rid of old cultural habits?

Like, you're striking gold right there. Giant uninhabited wasteland? Look at how many houses that can fit!

Ilsabard? Pfft. Okay sure. Guys, there's a reason why Garleans made a city there. It's about as uninhabited otherwise as the northern half of Canada.

*slaps Bozja* this bad boy can fit so many players

"Welcome to scenic Bozja! Here you can see the blasted ruins of the old hrothgar capital city! Feel free to explore a post-nuke abandoned land! Don't forget your full body PPE gear though, don't want anyone catching aether cancer from the nuked landscape!"

[LittleArrow]

I couldn't disagree more with this OP. Having lived through that system for many many years, this system is leagues above and better. The only way to combat the bots was to have multiple clickers (for FC only), a bot yourself, or pure luck.

This system is completely fair. It's a random roll and sometimes we lose. It hurts, it sucks, but the answer isn't to ask for a horrible system to be reinstated, it's to toughen up and try again or ask for better options in the game (upgrading apartments, more wards (they're doing that), or w/e that isn't the old system).

With this new system, I know dozens of people who never owned a home in this game now are new home owners. They never had a chance with the old system. This new system has opened up housing more than previous system ever did, from my experience.

I'm sincerely sorry for everyone who lost. It's upsetting and I wish everyone could win, but trying to pull that awful ugly system back is not the answer.

[Corvus_V]

We're on the same page here. Like I said earlier, it's an awful situation by Square's own design. It just sucks that the players have to either keep beating their heads on a wall or resort to less than ideal solutions.

If everyone was on the same page and they realize it's Square Enix's fault, and Square Enix's problem to fix, then we're on the same page. Moving to a foreign DC isn't a solution, its an act of desperation that doesn't even necessarily guarantee results, and exists as a detriment to every other facet of the game. There's a difference between a treatment and a cure, and more wards are barely a relief and definitely not a cure.

Saying it's "meant to be limited" sucks. Everyone gets housing items, and everyone can technically put them in an apartment, and it being limited in the first place being a bad decision. It's not immersive, it's annoying.

This is why I keep suggesting instanced housing. It's the only way for people to guarantee a use of those items. It already exists in the form of apartments, they just suck because they're small, and they lack an exterior, which technically doesn't have to be in an outside zone people walk past.

Square can solve the problem. They need to talk about it.