Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

[Joven]

You said it right here.:



No one has any right to be pissed off at the addition of instanced housing so everyone can participate.

"He said 'piss off a lot of people who already own houses' and since he has a house he's obviously refering to himself as well." Uh, no.

I meant those who already have several houses ie: more than 2, but I shouldn't have to explain that. (I only have 2 FYI)

Because more wards is a stupid idea. Also no, they don't. Do you even play this game?

So if plots never come available, like, at all, then what good is even the lottery system? Of course last I checked there were several open plots on the data center I'm on, but I've heard that idea was too much for some people. Unhinged even.

I know what their limitations are based on what already exists in the game whilst the server functions normally.

So that makes you an expert on how their backend works and what loads their servers can and cannot handle during what events? Ok.

"Throwing money," which again, is a reductive and disingenously simple way of saying "pay people who develop the game to create a solution."

It's almost as if resources, ie: time investment, hardware necessities and the such costs money. People certainly aren't going to do it for free. And before you say "they're already paid to do it", they're paid to make the game playable. The game is playable. Everything else takes extra effort which means more resources which means more money.

Sounds violent, like something someone unhinged would say. I never blamed you. I was giving you a thought exercise and pointing out how obviously shitty they've handled it.

You were replying to this:

What I offered wasn't meant to be the perfect solution, just a potential, active idea for those interested. Is it great? No, but neither is the situation at hand.

and started with "And who's fault is that?" After randomly and falsely accusing me of taking the idea of instanced housing personally how else is that to be taken?

They gave everyone the lotto system as a sweeping change because they were too lazy to do anything better. This was the path of least resistance. I'm complaining about it so they address it.

As I've said, everything you're saying here has been said almost ad infinitum for as long as housing has been in the game. They're already aware of it. If they were going to address it they already would have.

[Corvus_V]

"He said 'piss off a lot of people who already own houses' and since he has a house he's obviously refering to himself as well." Uh, no.

I meant those who already have several houses ie: more than 2, but I shouldn't have to explain that. (I only have 2 FYI)

You're right. I didn't have time to proofread my post before I left, and I hadn't considered that you'd try to make that point because it was never the problem in the first place. Also, that technically is basically already the case; there are just a few outliers like the people on Mateus and Dynamis.

So if plots never come available, like, at all, then what good is even the lottery system? Of course last I checked there were several open plots on the data center I'm on, but I've heard that idea was too much for some people. Unhinged even.

What good is the lottery system? It isnt? That's what I'm saying. Neither is the ward system. They both suck. Maybe it's because you think people are upset about the smalls, exclusively; and you're disregarding anyone else. Or maybe it's because you moved to a data center no one plays on, and you expect everyone else to abandon their friends or FC, because if they don't then they simply aren't taking it seriously enough. Go to a literal foreign data center and deal with foreign ping so you can get a shot at a small. Spectacular, really, and not at all desperate.

So that makes you an expert on how their backend works and what loads their servers can and cannot handle during what events? Ok.

I know enough to know that it's working properly. What's more hilarious is that just as many people are saying "buh nuh servers" whilst also allegedly being just as clueless about it as I am.

[Joven]

You're right. I didn't have time to proofread my post before I left, and I hadn't considered that you'd try to make that point because it was never the problem in the first place. Also, that technically is basically already the case; there are just a few outliers like the people on Mateus and Dynamis.

House hoarding isn't part of the shortage problem? Sure it isn't. It's not like there haven't been threads posted on here with people showing entire wards owned by single individuals across multiple servers or anything. Nah, that couldn't be part of the problem.

What good is the lottery system? It isnt? That's what I'm saying. Neither is the ward system. They both suck. Maybe it's because you think people are upset about the smalls, exclusively; and you're disregarding anyone else.

The lottery system seems to be working for a lot of people and if other people really, really want a house like they claim then they should care about the smalls. Just because they're not the "ideal" house they are often disregarded.

Or maybe it's because you moved to a data center no one plays on, and you expect everyone else to abandon their friends or FC, because if they don't then they simply aren't taking it seriously enough. Go to a literal foreign data center and deal with foreign ping so you can get a shot at a small. Spectacular, really, and not at all desperate.

My server is one of the most populated on the data center and I haven't had any issue with any content since transfering. I also never told anyone to abandon anything if they didn't want to and by the way, I have a medium and a small so make of that what you will.

I know enough to know that it's working properly. What's more hilarious is that just as many people are saying "buh nuh servers" whilst also allegedly being just as clueless about it as I am.

So basically you know diddly and are just full of hot air.

You truly are out of your mind if you think they're breaking even on Final Fantasy XIV. It's their most profitable game. They literally just made a shoddy port of Gaia's outfit on the mogstation to sell for whatever much a pop; and they re-used assets in Endwalker for quite a lot of gear. You really think they're doing their best? Or do you think it's actually a good thing that they're so awful they use it to keep themselves afloat and nothing else?

And most of their profits get pulled into other projects. XIV pretty much keeps Sqeenix afloat.

The "whos fault is that" is directed at SE. Because it's their fault. I've never held anyone else responsible, not even RMTers or people who hold multiple houses, unlike you. Them acting like sociopaths about it and exacerbating the problem slightly doesn't mean they're the reason people can't find plots. Mainly because they actually aren't the problem, and it's the ward system itself.

The ward system is inherently fine. It was the initial inception which is the problem when they didn't limit the number of houses people could own to begin with.

That's too bad then. Maybe they should take the feedback and address it and make it clear how passive and apathetic they are to how everyone feels about it, so everyone gets a clearer picture about where and how they should be spending their money. They've yet to address it in 2023, post lottery or post 6.3, but since they've opted to try something new and its clear it's unsustainable, it's worth talking about. Also, I'm not going to stop.

As long as people keep subscribing and logging in then to them everything is fine.

[Corvus_V]

House hoarding isn't part of the shortage problem? Sure it isn't. It's not like there haven't been threads posted on here with people showing entire wards owned by single individuals across multiple servers or anything. Nah, that couldn't be part of the problem.

I love how sarcastic you are about it. Have you bothered to check the house bid counts and the amounts per size and per plot? No, the few wards in one or two zones a couple of shitty people managed to destroy on Mateus, and likely one other server in particular are not the reason. Key word is "part." Thats why I used the word "outlier." They're not empathetic about it, and it doesn't help, but it would still be roughly about as bad even if they weren't there. Hilariously, maybe the reason Square Enix turns a blind eye to them is because they pay their subs; which should be further proof to you that they simply don't care as long as they make more money. Perhaps not the kind of community you should try to foster?

The lottery system seems to be working for a lot of people and if other people really, really want a house like they claim then they should care about the smalls. Just because they're not the "ideal" house they are often disregarded.

That's because smalls suck, and people actually don't want them almost as much as they don't want apartments. Their decoration count is pitiful and they afford little to no space for more complex building. Something not being "ideal" shouldn't be the objective when you have the ability to make it "ideal.

My server is one of the most populated on the data center and I haven't had any issue with any content since transfering. I also never told anyone to abandon anything if they didn't want to and by the way, I have a medium and a small so make of that what you will.

I'm sure everyone on either coast of the US would have spectacular ping on Oceanic and European servers. Smalls aren't worth transferring to another datacenter over for, that's for sure.

So basically you know diddly and are just full of hot air.

That means everyone you previously cited as reliable as to why instanced housing can't work also is a clueless, stupid idiot and doesn't know anything.

What's worse? Saying "respond to this horrible problem and/or fix it" or saying "They cant fix it!!! this guy in the thread made shit up so no money would fall out of SE's pocket!"

At least I bothered to do the math and look?

And most of their profits get pulled into other projects. XIV pretty much keeps Sqeenix afloat.

So it's their fault?

The ward system is inherently fine. It was the initial inception which is the problem when they didn't limit the number of houses people could own to begin with.

No? There aren't enough houses for everyone, and there aren't enough houses in the sizes people want them to be. So it isn't fine, it sucks. This is a video-game. When things aren't fun about it, it's bad. If I wanted a similar experience and thought it'd be fun, I'd entertain myself by throwing some dice in an alley.

As long as people keep subscribing and logging in then to them everything is fine.

That's what I mean by "how and where they should be spending their money." Eventually they'll stop. If you've played for long enough, you'll also realize they've continuously added less and less with each expansion beginning with Heavensward, despite charging the same price, in both assets and content. Housing isn't the only thing they're being cheap about. Far from it. The game grows almost exclusively due to it's community and the writing.

[Joven]

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So basically your whole schtick is that Squeenix isn't giving you everything you want up front and you're pouting, as evidenced by

That's because smalls suck, and people actually don't want them almost as much as they don't want apartments.

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There is literally no need for anything more than a small really. Larger houses offer no benefit outside of a larger gil sink and ego. They offer no additional benefits. If you really wanted a house you wouldn't have such disdain for smalls.

[Corvus_V]

whatever

Your shtick is that you pay them to play and they use it to fund crap that doesn't take off and they put barely any of it back into the game, which makes you a sucker. If they profit so much from FFXIV, the expectation should be that they make FFXIV better. I would be doing the same thing if I owned a large house, just like I was against placard spamming despite always owning one. I'm thankfully not an asshole, so I can care about things that aren't just myself. Which is why I'm personally not interested in relief that simply affords me or a select few other people a chance to get a house they want, and more of one that allows anyone to decorate any size they want; because that would serve everyone.

You can direct that sentiment to everyone who wants a larger house, your egotistical-self included, since you have a medium.

All houses offer no benefit to the game's other content outside of the garden you put in the front, which was another facet of why they should be accessible to everyone, including people who want a large and have the gil to pay for it; who would then get to use 3 of them at once as opposed to 1 (so technically, you're incorrect).
In addition to FC housing, which actually has no benefit to perservering on larger houses, since the company workshop is functionally the same. And again, mostly benefits itself as a content island in that an absolute ton of sub items are minions and other aesthetics like furnishings (for a house.) Or selling those things for money. Whoops? Articulating it for like 10 seconds there made me find another reason how it actually does affect shit! Who knew?

Outside of the more obvious shit, like the decoration and size limits? You know there's no actual reason the inside has to match the size of the outside too, right?

That was never in dispute. But acting like because it's not necessary to do anything else doesn't mean its not important or that it should be disregarded. It's pretentious and disingenous at best that you think that people who don't want smalls should be satisfied with them when this doesn't have to be the case.

You also didn't disprove a single thing I said, all you did was try to psycho-analyze me. Kind of unhinged of you. Also more unhinged of you to change servers and then accuse people of pouting when they aren't content with SE not half-assing everything. Perhaps that's why it was so easy for you to leave.

[Joven]

Your shtick is that you pay them to play and they use it to fund crap that doesn't take off and they put barely any of it back into the game, which makes you a sucker.

Which is what you're also doing, but OK. If the game got to a stage where I was unhappy with it then I would quit. It's just that simple.

If they profit so much from FFXIV, the expectation should be that they make FFXIV better. I would be doing the same thing if I owned a large house, just like I was against placard spamming despite always owning one. I'm thankfully not an asshole, so I can care about things that aren't just myself.

Expectations and reality often never meet. That's just the size of it.

You can direct that sentiment to everyone who wants a larger house, your egotistical-self included, since you have a medium.

It was there, I was there, I had the money and bingo. I didn't go into it expecting a medium or any house and it wouldn't have bothered me if I hadn't gotten one at all. Circumstance doesn't equate ego. Going into it expecting to get one and then getting pissy when you don't kinda does though. If the medium wasn't an FC house I would sell it and use my small, but that's not how the system works.

All houses offer no benefit to the game's other content outside of the garden you put in the front, which was another facet of why they should be accessible to everyone, including people who want a large and have the gil to pay for it; who would then get to use 3 of them at once as opposed to 1 (so technically, you're incorrect). In addition to FC housing, which actually has no benefit to perservering on larger houses, since the company workshop is functionally the same; and again, mostly benefits itself as a content island in that an absolute ton of sub items are minions and other aesthetics like furnishings (for a house.) Or selling it for money.

That was never in dispute. But acting like because it's not necessary to do anything else doesn't mean its not important or that it should be disregarded. It's pretentious and disingenous at best that you think that people who don't want smalls should be satisfied with them when this doesn't have to be the case.

I never said it should be disregarded, but to openly scorn and disregard the majority of housing units because you personally think they suck is also pretentious and disengenous. As much as the old system sucked at least if you had a small you had a chance for an upgrade, but that wasn't good enough either apparently.

Edit:

Also more unhinged of you to change servers and then accuse people of pouting when they aren't content with SE not half-assing everything. Perhaps that's why it was so easy for you to leave.

Ah, a ninja edited dig.

You nothing about why I transfered servers, but please, do continue making assumptions.