Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

[ThaCa]

That's good for you but there 1000s of players who still haven't gotten a house since rng hasn't smiled on them as it has on you. You were lucky just like the ppl who got a house with the old system were lucky. As others said it's mostly a supply issue not really a lottery issue but that doesn't change the fact that the lottery is still a feelbad system. It's not fun looking for a lot week after week praying that rng god is going to bless you that day but when it doesn't you have to do the walk of shame to get your money back and watch as the lucky person enjoys their new house just bc they were luckier than you. The lottery is slight, only slightly better than the old system but it doesn't do anything to the main issue in 14 and that is there are still not enough houses of any type to go around. New ppl can't get a small unless they really lucky and ppl who have been playing for so long cant upgrade to a bigger house when they want a higher item cap. As someone with so many housing items, I could never go back to a small bc that would mean I would have to throw out the items I work hard to make or spent money on. Eventally everyone will want to upgrade to a med or large just bc they out grow the small and its really low item and inv cap.

I was the only bid on my house, there was no luck needed. Thankfully people were slow to transfer over to the new servers in EU, pretty much all of my friends got their houses without competition. Sure the servers were almost a ghost town for few months but they are plenty active now.

[Midareyukki]

Okay, I'm starting to see the "unhinged" part showing up...

Joven, calm down :x

[Corvus_V]

Who said I'm taking the idea of instanced housing as a person offence?

You said it right here.:

nut up and piss off a lot of people who already own houses

No one has any right to be pissed off at the addition of instanced housing so everyone can participate.

You seem to be the one taking offence to literally everything anyone suggests to the contrary. No oportunities? Houses come open all the time due to the demo timer and people leaving the game or just giving up their plots in general. Just because you're too impatient doesn't mean the oportunities aren't there.

Because more wards is a stupid idea. Also no, they don't. Do you even play this game?

You don't know what their limitations are or are not so all you're doing is getting angry at all the wrong people here just because you aren't getting what you want.

I know what their limitations are based on what already exists in the game whilst the server functions normally.

Where did I say it was impossible? Where? Give me the exact quote. I said unless they're willing to do what must be done and piss off a lot of people. By which I mean they need to limit houses to 2 per account. 1 personal and 1 FC and allow players to sell the houses they don't want. They can limit that by making where they can't charge more than market value.

You also said this.:

several people on here have already pointed out why them throwing more money at this isn't a solution either

"Throwing money," which again, is a reductive and disingenously simple way of saying "pay people who develop the game to create a solution."

It certainly isn't my fault so getting pissy with me solves nothing. So take that attitude and shove it somewhere unpleasant.

Sounds violent, like something someone unhinged would say. I never blamed you. I was giving you a thought exercise and pointing out how obviously shitty they've handled it.

This has been an ongoing problem since housing was introduced. They gave everyone the lotto system they wanted and now people are complaining about that. Your "feedback" is nothing new and has been reitterated for years.

They gave everyone the lotto system as a sweeping change because they were too lazy to do anything better. This was the path of least resistance. I'm complaining about it so they address it.

[Joven]

You said it right here.:



No one has any right to be pissed off at the addition of instanced housing so everyone can participate.

"He said 'piss off a lot of people who already own houses' and since he has a house he's obviously refering to himself as well." Uh, no.

I meant those who already have several houses ie: more than 2, but I shouldn't have to explain that. (I only have 2 FYI)

Because more wards is a stupid idea. Also no, they don't. Do you even play this game?

So if plots never come available, like, at all, then what good is even the lottery system? Of course last I checked there were several open plots on the data center I'm on, but I've heard that idea was too much for some people. Unhinged even.

I know what their limitations are based on what already exists in the game whilst the server functions normally.

So that makes you an expert on how their backend works and what loads their servers can and cannot handle during what events? Ok.

"Throwing money," which again, is a reductive and disingenously simple way of saying "pay people who develop the game to create a solution."

It's almost as if resources, ie: time investment, hardware necessities and the such costs money. People certainly aren't going to do it for free. And before you say "they're already paid to do it", they're paid to make the game playable. The game is playable. Everything else takes extra effort which means more resources which means more money.

Sounds violent, like something someone unhinged would say. I never blamed you. I was giving you a thought exercise and pointing out how obviously shitty they've handled it.

You were replying to this:

What I offered wasn't meant to be the perfect solution, just a potential, active idea for those interested. Is it great? No, but neither is the situation at hand.

and started with "And who's fault is that?" After randomly and falsely accusing me of taking the idea of instanced housing personally how else is that to be taken?

They gave everyone the lotto system as a sweeping change because they were too lazy to do anything better. This was the path of least resistance. I'm complaining about it so they address it.

As I've said, everything you're saying here has been said almost ad infinitum for as long as housing has been in the game. They're already aware of it. If they were going to address it they already would have.

[Corvus_V]

"He said 'piss off a lot of people who already own houses' and since he has a house he's obviously refering to himself as well." Uh, no.

I meant those who already have several houses ie: more than 2, but I shouldn't have to explain that. (I only have 2 FYI)

You're right. I didn't have time to proofread my post before I left, and I hadn't considered that you'd try to make that point because it was never the problem in the first place. Also, that technically is basically already the case; there are just a few outliers like the people on Mateus and Dynamis.

So if plots never come available, like, at all, then what good is even the lottery system? Of course last I checked there were several open plots on the data center I'm on, but I've heard that idea was too much for some people. Unhinged even.

What good is the lottery system? It isnt? That's what I'm saying. Neither is the ward system. They both suck. Maybe it's because you think people are upset about the smalls, exclusively; and you're disregarding anyone else. Or maybe it's because you moved to a data center no one plays on, and you expect everyone else to abandon their friends or FC, because if they don't then they simply aren't taking it seriously enough. Go to a literal foreign data center and deal with foreign ping so you can get a shot at a small. Spectacular, really, and not at all desperate.

So that makes you an expert on how their backend works and what loads their servers can and cannot handle during what events? Ok.

I know enough to know that it's working properly. What's more hilarious is that just as many people are saying "buh nuh servers" whilst also allegedly being just as clueless about it as I am.

[Joven]

You're right. I didn't have time to proofread my post before I left, and I hadn't considered that you'd try to make that point because it was never the problem in the first place. Also, that technically is basically already the case; there are just a few outliers like the people on Mateus and Dynamis.

House hoarding isn't part of the shortage problem? Sure it isn't. It's not like there haven't been threads posted on here with people showing entire wards owned by single individuals across multiple servers or anything. Nah, that couldn't be part of the problem.

What good is the lottery system? It isnt? That's what I'm saying. Neither is the ward system. They both suck. Maybe it's because you think people are upset about the smalls, exclusively; and you're disregarding anyone else.

The lottery system seems to be working for a lot of people and if other people really, really want a house like they claim then they should care about the smalls. Just because they're not the "ideal" house they are often disregarded.

Or maybe it's because you moved to a data center no one plays on, and you expect everyone else to abandon their friends or FC, because if they don't then they simply aren't taking it seriously enough. Go to a literal foreign data center and deal with foreign ping so you can get a shot at a small. Spectacular, really, and not at all desperate.

My server is one of the most populated on the data center and I haven't had any issue with any content since transfering. I also never told anyone to abandon anything if they didn't want to and by the way, I have a medium and a small so make of that what you will.

I know enough to know that it's working properly. What's more hilarious is that just as many people are saying "buh nuh servers" whilst also allegedly being just as clueless about it as I am.

So basically you know diddly and are just full of hot air.

You truly are out of your mind if you think they're breaking even on Final Fantasy XIV. It's their most profitable game. They literally just made a shoddy port of Gaia's outfit on the mogstation to sell for whatever much a pop; and they re-used assets in Endwalker for quite a lot of gear. You really think they're doing their best? Or do you think it's actually a good thing that they're so awful they use it to keep themselves afloat and nothing else?

And most of their profits get pulled into other projects. XIV pretty much keeps Sqeenix afloat.

The "whos fault is that" is directed at SE. Because it's their fault. I've never held anyone else responsible, not even RMTers or people who hold multiple houses, unlike you. Them acting like sociopaths about it and exacerbating the problem slightly doesn't mean they're the reason people can't find plots. Mainly because they actually aren't the problem, and it's the ward system itself.

The ward system is inherently fine. It was the initial inception which is the problem when they didn't limit the number of houses people could own to begin with.

That's too bad then. Maybe they should take the feedback and address it and make it clear how passive and apathetic they are to how everyone feels about it, so everyone gets a clearer picture about where and how they should be spending their money. They've yet to address it in 2023, post lottery or post 6.3, but since they've opted to try something new and its clear it's unsustainable, it's worth talking about. Also, I'm not going to stop.

As long as people keep subscribing and logging in then to them everything is fine.

[Corvus_V]

House hoarding isn't part of the shortage problem? Sure it isn't. It's not like there haven't been threads posted on here with people showing entire wards owned by single individuals across multiple servers or anything. Nah, that couldn't be part of the problem.

I love how sarcastic you are about it. Have you bothered to check the house bid counts and the amounts per size and per plot? No, the few wards in one or two zones a couple of shitty people managed to destroy on Mateus, and likely one other server in particular are not the reason. Key word is "part." Thats why I used the word "outlier." They're not empathetic about it, and it doesn't help, but it would still be roughly about as bad even if they weren't there. Hilariously, maybe the reason Square Enix turns a blind eye to them is because they pay their subs; which should be further proof to you that they simply don't care as long as they make more money. Perhaps not the kind of community you should try to foster?

The lottery system seems to be working for a lot of people and if other people really, really want a house like they claim then they should care about the smalls. Just because they're not the "ideal" house they are often disregarded.

That's because smalls suck, and people actually don't want them almost as much as they don't want apartments. Their decoration count is pitiful and they afford little to no space for more complex building. Something not being "ideal" shouldn't be the objective when you have the ability to make it "ideal.

My server is one of the most populated on the data center and I haven't had any issue with any content since transfering. I also never told anyone to abandon anything if they didn't want to and by the way, I have a medium and a small so make of that what you will.

I'm sure everyone on either coast of the US would have spectacular ping on Oceanic and European servers. Smalls aren't worth transferring to another datacenter over for, that's for sure.

So basically you know diddly and are just full of hot air.

That means everyone you previously cited as reliable as to why instanced housing can't work also is a clueless, stupid idiot and doesn't know anything.

What's worse? Saying "respond to this horrible problem and/or fix it" or saying "They cant fix it!!! this guy in the thread made shit up so no money would fall out of SE's pocket!"

At least I bothered to do the math and look?

And most of their profits get pulled into other projects. XIV pretty much keeps Sqeenix afloat.

So it's their fault?

The ward system is inherently fine. It was the initial inception which is the problem when they didn't limit the number of houses people could own to begin with.

No? There aren't enough houses for everyone, and there aren't enough houses in the sizes people want them to be. So it isn't fine, it sucks. This is a video-game. When things aren't fun about it, it's bad. If I wanted a similar experience and thought it'd be fun, I'd entertain myself by throwing some dice in an alley.

As long as people keep subscribing and logging in then to them everything is fine.

That's what I mean by "how and where they should be spending their money." Eventually they'll stop. If you've played for long enough, you'll also realize they've continuously added less and less with each expansion beginning with Heavensward, despite charging the same price, in both assets and content. Housing isn't the only thing they're being cheap about. Far from it. The game grows almost exclusively due to it's community and the writing.

[Joven]

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So basically your whole schtick is that Squeenix isn't giving you everything you want up front and you're pouting, as evidenced by

That's because smalls suck, and people actually don't want them almost as much as they don't want apartments.

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There is literally no need for anything more than a small really. Larger houses offer no benefit outside of a larger gil sink and ego. They offer no additional benefits. If you really wanted a house you wouldn't have such disdain for smalls.

[RobynDaBank]

I mean just because they haven't done it yet doesn't mean they never will...

[4clubbedace]

Imagine not winning a 1/4 chance lmao.