Ungendered sit poses, please?

[crystallineAbyss]

Yeah. This was about sitting poses. Unlocking 2 poses per gender so everyone can use 4 poses. That's it. This is not about the removal of racial animations, or the homogenization of racial animations.

It's just ungendering 4 sit poses. That's it. It's not even that difficult of a request, and with what they've outlined previously with regards to how they scale animations across races and genders in fairly recent dev logs, it wouldn't be much work at all.

In this interview with the lead technical artist, they outline the fact that they intentionally make tools to streamline the process of transferring everything across different races and genders.


This is them talking about their role in the programming and the specific tool for equipment.

When they bring up the issue with swimming and animation anchoring, they use this graph.


They were talking about camera anchoring but it shows that all they do is scale the same animation across similar skeletons/rigs, which is why the movements are the same for universal animations and poses.

It is really not asking a lot of them to do this for the poses they gendered. It would just be scaling the male ones to female models, and female ones to male models. Add in 2 more /cposes per character and there you go.

You retain everything we have currently while getting two more that you didn't have previously.

It's the absolute bare minimum thing to ask for with regards to neutrally gendered animations and increased options for expression. It is 4 sit poses.

That's it.

No racial poses, just the four new, universal by gender poses available for everyone regardless of gender. You'd only have to cycle through two more.

Preferably, I'd want the system reworked so I could opt out of existing stuff, but that's not what we have.

All I'm literally asking for is that the 4 new poses be universal instead of 2 male and 2 female.

[HollowedDoll]

It is really not asking a lot of them to do this for the poses they gendered. It would just be scaling the male ones to female models, and female ones to male models. Add in 2 more /cposes per character and there you go.

You may have noticed that one of the shared poses depend on the rough character height, meaning it wouldn't be as simple as "just scale it", at the end of the day it doesn't matter how simple or not simple it would be, it's extra workload, and you can live without it.

[crystallineAbyss]

You may have noticed that one of the shared poses depend on the rough character height, meaning it wouldn't be as simple as "just scale it", at the end of the day it doesn't matter how simple or not simple it would be, it's extra workload, and you can live without it.

Female midlanders and miqote have more in common with their male counterparts than they do female highlanders, roegadyn, and lalafell - yet they still share gendered animations. The existence of the universal kneel sit is proof it works and they have the tools. That's it. It's not like I'm demanding every animation. It's asking for four.

[Iscah]

Female midlanders and miqote have more in common with their male counterparts than they do female highlanders, roegadyn, and lalafell - yet they still share gendered animations. The existence of the universal kneel sit is proof it works and they have the tools. That's it. It's not like I'm demanding every animation. It's asking for four.

More in common in what way? I don't know the technicalities of models, but I do have a female Roegadyn alt, and there's really nothing different to Midlander besides poses and scale. It's not like male Roegadyn where they're three times the width of other models.

[crystallineAbyss]

More in common in what way? I don't know the technicalities of models, but I do have a female Roegadyn alt, and there's really nothing different to Midlander besides poses and scale. It's not like male Roegadyn where they're three times the width of other models.

They were saying size was the factor for why female and male are different but if that were the case, why do the short women share animations with the big women? It's really nothing that different + we have universal animations - like the linkpearl emote! Which doesn't sync up to Viera or Miqo'te ears.

[HollowedDoll]

Female midlanders and miqote have more in common with their male counterparts than they do female highlanders, roegadyn, and lalafell - yet they still share gendered animations. The existence of the universal kneel sit is proof it works and they have the tools. That's it. It's not like I'm demanding every animation. It's asking for four.

Sitting on the ground is different, sitting on objects means you would float or sink depending on height unless it's adjusted

Female midlander and miqote don't even share the new sitting animation

It's: Female Miqote, Au Ra
Hyur Female, Highlander, Viera
Elezen Female, Femroe

for Male I think Miqote, Mid, High, Viera share
Roe has it's own
Elezen and Au Ra

Lalas tend to have their own anims and it seems to be the same thing ARR npcs in Uldah do for both genders so there is your "ungendered" pose I guess

they did the distribution this way for a reason outside of just a "whim"

Yes, they have the tools, they literally could do anything, doesn't mean they should just because you want them to.

You're not even asking for 4 new animations as there's 8 total new animations of only 2 of which is universal by gender ( Not counting Lalafell )

Once again, extra workload that they could spend on actually useful things like uhm idk fixing viera hair, or literally anything else.

[crystallineAbyss]

Sitting on the ground is different, sitting on objects means you would float or sink depending on height unless it's adjusted

Female midlander and miqote don't even share the new sitting animation

It's: Female Miqote, Au Ra
Hyur Female, Highlander, Viera
Elezen Female, Femroe

for Male I think Miqote, Mid, High, Viera share
Roe has it's own
Elezen and Au Ra

Lalas tend to have their own anims and it seems to be the same thing ARR npcs in Uldah do for both genders so there is your "ungendered" pose I guess

they did the distribution this way for a reason outside of just a "whim"

Yes, they have the tools, they literally could do anything, doesn't mean they should just because you want them to.

You're not even asking for 4 new animations as there's 8 total new animations of only 2 of which is universal by gender ( Not counting Lalafell )

Once again, extra workload that they could spend on actually useful things like uhm idk fixing viera hair, or literally anything else.

Since you're arguing we should just play male characters if we want this so bad, maybe you should stop playing Viera if you want hair and hats so bad.
Do you see how ridiculous of an argument this is, especially with the fact they've been adding universal neutral animations that were previously race and gender specific into cutscenes? That there are plenty of emotes identical across everybody?
It's just a couple of animations. Be serious.

[Joven]

Since you're arguing we should just play male characters if we want this so bad, maybe you should stop playing Viera if you want hair and hats so bad.
Do you see how ridiculous of an argument this is, especially with the fact they've been adding universal neutral animations that were previously race and gender specific into cutscenes? That there are plenty of emotes identical across everybody?
It's just a couple of animations. Be serious.

Using not playing viera to wear hats as a counter is a bad faith argument since hats and hairstyles are a broken feature for those races while gendered sitting animations aren't. Fixing something that's incomplete should take priority over something that already functions, but people want changed.

[crystallineAbyss]

Using not playing viera to wear hats as a counter is a bad faith argument since hats and hairstyles are a broken feature for those races while gendered sitting animations aren't. Fixing something that's incomplete should take priority over something that already functions, but people want changed.

The fact you acknowledge the hat thing means you understand it's bad faith because the original argument was also bad faith. And as I said, they're doing updates to unlock gendered clothing so this is something that's already on their workflow agenda. Animation fixes are not that big of a deal.

[HollowedDoll]

Since you're arguing we should just play male characters if we want this so bad, maybe you should stop playing Viera if you want hair and hats so bad.
Do you see how ridiculous of an argument this is, especially with the fact they've been adding universal neutral animations that were previously race and gender specific into cutscenes? That there are plenty of emotes identical across everybody?
It's just a couple of animations. Be serious.

1. Quote me where I said that.

2. It's hilarious that you're comparing people wanting to have parity with other races to you wanting extra stuff

3. This is poor indie company, be serious.