Paladin needs to be overhauled

[Valence]

so why not just increase the CD to 15? or would that be broken despite WAR having an aoe stun that has the same recast as current sheildbash. Hell if it makes you feel better they could give 15s intervene the stun affect along with an aniation lock of sheildbash and id prefer that over current

Shieldbash's pro compared to Primal Rend is that one is instant, the other one has an insane animation delay and is also used for WAR's primary damage output. Shieldbash performs a lot better at securing kills, while Primal Rend is better at applying team pressure. They're not used exactly identically, and both shine at different things. I could see how one would see shieldbash as inferior if they're not using it to specifically hit targets out of resources in the shins when it will make them dead with a 99% probability.

[RyanCousland]

Shieldbash's pro compared to Primal Rend is that one is instant, the other one has an insane animation delay and is also used for WAR's primary damage output. Shieldbash performs a lot better at securing kills, while Primal Rend is better at applying team pressure. They're not used exactly identically, and both shine at different things. I could see how one would see shieldbash as inferior if they're not using it to specifically hit targets out of resources in the shins when it will make them dead with a 99% probability.

i think this is another example of perfect play mentality, what you illustrate requires a team effort/coordination which pvp does not have in terms of the majority of matches that is experienced both for CC and FL

[Valence]

i think this is another example of perfect play mentality, what you illustrate requires a team effort/coordination which pvp does not have in terms of the majority of matches that is experienced both for CC and FL

Don't play coy, I actually also hate when people use the perfect play argument without taking into account the actual effort balance behind.

I'm saying that if a target is dropping low and tries to run away, it's a prime target for a stun, because odds are your team is pummeling them pretty hard right now. It doesn't even need coordination, the coordination comes from YOUR end, which is identifying such targets and punishing them for overcommitting by preventing them to escape and securing kills.

Confeti is in no way a better substitute for Holy circle, youre smart enough to asses and realize poly but not enough for other issues or scenarios in which purify isnt usable?

Which are what...? RPR and DNC LB?

And what does Confiteor have to do with purify?