Paladin Updates

[Aceofspades]

Aceofspades is not helping our case for bringing PLD up to where WAR is for tanking...

as in, not helping you confence people PLD needs fixed? well duh, I obviously done belive PLD is broken. Could I argue "It could be easier" sure, but then i would be a whiny noob telling SE to make an already too easy game even easier.... meh, to each their own but if your looking for realy easy mmo rpgs ffxi or WoW, please dont encurage the early demise of a game that still has potential to be an epic mmo rpg.

[Arcell]

as in, not helping you confence people PLD needs fixed? well duh, I obviously done belive PLD is broken. Could I argue "It could be easier" sure, but then i would be a whiny noob telling SE to make an already too easy game even easier.... meh, to each their own but if your looking for realy easy mmo rpgs ffxi or WoW, please dont encurage the early demise of a game that still has potential to be an epic mmo rpg.

It's not about Paladin tanking being easier, it's about having a reason to use Paladin instead of WAR. Paladin can do it, but Warrior can do it better on all counts. What we really need is for the shield to matter more. Block damage, defense and m.evasion need to matter more and actually make a difference against bosses especially.

If you're playing PLD right, it should feel like this:

Sentinel > Aegis Boon > War Drum > Phalanx > Rampart > Bloodbath > Spirit's Within > Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Goring Blade

My only issue with that is that how quickly you can get Aegis Boon off depends on how quickly the enemy does a physical attack and you block it. On most monsters this isn't an issue, however on something like Ifrit where he can go at least 30 seconds without doing his physical attack, Aegis Boon or Sentinel could wear off before you get that block in. Otherwise it's not a bad way to go about it, though I'd leave Bloodbath out unless you need the HP.

Edit:

oh and somthing i forgot, not sure if its devine veil or not, but it apears as tho my block rate DRAMTICLY increases with devine veil, so if you did not get either war drum or phlanax off with ageis boon, just pop devine veil and the option should open up

That's because 1.21a changed it so Divine Veil blocks frontal physical attacks while active.

Divine Veil

- Recast time reduced from 120 to 60 seconds.
- Effect duration reduced from 30 to 20 seconds.
- Blocks all physical attacks from the front.
- Healing over time effect granted by Cure and Cura now stacks with the white magic spell Regen.
* Healing efficacy reduced in exchange for longer effect duration.

[Aceofspades]

ahhh ha, i mis read, here i thought it blocked all damage , it simply blocks, wich is still awsome, soo long as you have a shield with a high block number on it, not block rate lols

[Aceofspades]

in light of that, mp regen , altho very minimal , dose exist within the PLD realm. cool, kinda changes things, but not by much, looks like those High block shields may have just become more valuable then.

[Alerith]

I dont intend to sound like a smart ass or anything , but, I now understand why you have some hate controll issues. If i may be soo bold and put up some sequences in wich you may want to try

I never said I have hate issues. In fact, I DONT' have hate issues. I'm at the forefront of those saying PLD doesn't have a problem holding hate, because it doesn't. BUT, let's look at your suggestion.

Sentinel > Aegis Boon > Flash > Voke > Phalanx > Spirit's Within >War Drum (keep in mind if you already have enough tp for war drum and or phalanx i would use those first but otherwise this set up buys you a few seconds to build a bit of tp while keeping all your hate moves inside that 10 second buff timer of Sentinel.)

Putting Flash and Provoke where you have them severely limits the already short window you have to get off Phalanx and makes it near impossible to get War Drum off in the order in which you have it. Also, if you're using abilities, you aren't meleeing, which means you aren't building TP.

Rampart dose build hate but a few things to know, only realy works if you use it and multiple people get it, the more people who get the buff the greater the hate generation and it dosent get better with sent.

The chances that you'll get multiple people in your Rampart varies from battle to battle. You should not be NOT using it because you're the only one that will benefit. It's still a damage reduction move and you shouldn't be uber conservative with it.

Also AOE cures (when ever you can, helps to have that on a macro) also gens hate realy well, but the heal must actually regen HP back to the target/s HP bar

For many given situations a PLD would be tanking, you shouldn't need AoE cures, and individually curing party members with Holy Succor would be far more beneficial. I don't know what you're fighting, but if your PLD is curing for hate with AoE cures, then something is going wrong.

as far as the other weapon skills , the only other one that is designed to gen hate and has been improved for doing soo is
fast blade > flat blade. true this one dosent do much damage at all but it has fast cool down times and very low tp requirements soo that helps with being able to spam it ALOT ,

The combo effect from Fast/Flat Blade is indeed enmity, but the Fast/Savage/Goring combo does good damage and the bleeding effect from Goring is of tremendous assistance. Goring Blade has a cooldown that is such you would use the Fast/Savage/Goring combo then move to Fast/Flat until F/S/G is available again.

also anytime you can spam sheild bash ( after having done your combos) it also genrates hate.

DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT just spam Shield Bash. Shield Bash should be held until the mob is readying a TP move or Spell, or if you must stun the enemy to survive.

Spamming shield bash is actually a horrible idea.

your cartoon (altho funny as hell) is not what PLD "should feel like" . If done correctly PLD should feel like a Pianist playing a song

I don't use macros, so it's more akin to the image in my sig.

in light of that, mp regen , altho very minimal , dose exist within the PLD realm. cool, kinda changes things, but not by much, looks like those High block shields may have just become more valuable then.

Stacking Divine Veil with Outmaneuver is an excellent MP restore, especially the harder the enemy hits you.



To be completely honest, you don't seem to understand how to play the job to it's potential. Your suggestions are good on an elementary level, but they aren't going to make you competitive. You're stuck in basic play of the job and you don't seem to grasp all the mechanics of your abilities.

Spend some more time with the job, then re-assess your thoughts.

[TirionCrey]

@Ace: If everything is so easy in FFXIV and PLD can do all of it, why you got nothing done except Ifrit? You are the last person here that should talk about difficulty and what PLD can achieve in current content...cause you haven't done it, you got no clue and BTW I'm repeating myself over and over...just cause you can hold hate against shitty crap DDs doesn't state the fact that PLD can hold hate efficiently...cause against good DDs they hold hate like crap.

[Aceofspades]

I never said I have hate issues. In fact, I DONT' have hate issues. I'm at the forefront of those saying PLD doesn't have a problem holding hate, because it doesn't. BUT, let's look at your suggestion.



Putting Flash and Provoke where you have them severely limits the already short window you have to get off Phalanx and makes it near impossible to get War Drum off in the order in which you have it. Also, if you're using abilities, you aren't meleeing, which means you aren't building TP.



The chances that you'll get multiple people in your Rampart varies from battle to battle. You should not be NOT using it because you're the only one that will benefit. It's still a damage reduction move and you shouldn't be uber conservative with it.



For many given situations a PLD would be tanking, you shouldn't need AoE cures, and individually curing party members with Holy Succor would be far more beneficial. I don't know what you're fighting, but if your PLD is curing for hate with AoE cures, then something is going wrong.



The combo effect from Fast/Flat Blade is indeed enmity, but the Fast/Savage/Goring combo does good damage and the bleeding effect from Goring is of tremendous assistance. Goring Blade has a cooldown that is such you would use the Fast/Savage/Goring combo then move to Fast/Flat until F/S/G is available again.




DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT just spam Shield Bash. Shield Bash should be held until the mob is readying a TP move or Spell, or if you must stun the enemy to survive.

Spamming shield bash is actually a horrible idea.



I don't use macros, so it's more akin to the image in my sig.



Stacking Divine Veil with Outmaneuver is an excellent MP restore, especially the harder the enemy hits you.



To be completely honest, you don't seem to understand how to play the job to it's potential. Your suggestions are good on an elementary level, but they aren't going to make you competitive. You're stuck in basic play of the job and you don't seem to grasp all the mechanics of your abilities.

Spend some more time with the job, then re-assess your thoughts.

hmm, maybe i should post a video of my next fight soo no more asumptions are made on my play style or skill. Also, sheild bash on high level mobs tend to do nothing for interuption but if it lands damage it dose create hate well wich is why i spam it. And I dont have issues with getting those abilities off in the 10 second timer... not sure what your issue with that is, and you do build tp soo long as your taking some damage, wich is why i do buffs after initial hate abilties. As far as your Idea of damage > hate for combos, not on a tank, damage is not only not your job but shouldnt be your priority

[Arcell]

@Ace: If everything is so easy in FFXIV and PLD can do all of it, why you got nothing done except Ifrit? You are the last person here that should talk about difficulty and what PLD can achieve in current content...cause you haven't done it, you got no clue and BTW I'm repeating myself over and over...just cause you can hold hate against shitty crap DDs doesn't state the fact that PLD can hold hate efficiently...cause against good DDs they hold hate like crap.

However there's something you should consider. Enmity management is a group effort. People who shouldn't have hate should focus on keeping it down and people who should have hate should focus on keeping it up. If just one person is trying then issues will arise. It is not only the Tank's problem, it is the party's problem.

[Alerith]

My only issue with that is that how quickly you can get Aegis Boon off depends on how quickly the enemy does a physical attack and you block it. On most monsters this isn't an issue, however on something like Ifrit where he can go at least 30 seconds without doing his physical attack, Aegis Boon or Sentinel could wear off before you get that block in. Otherwise it's not a bad way to go about it, though I'd leave Bloodbath out unless you need the HP.

Sorry, didn't see you reply to me. Wasn't ignroing you.

You're right across the entire post. That's the drawback to Aegis Boon, and it's honestly not a bad one considering the block is 100%. You're also right with Bloodbath, but in most cases, I usually take damage from some sort of spell or TP move after Aegis Boon cures me.

You also want to be sure Phalanx connected first before using Bloodbath.

[GreyJorildyn]

You guys really shouldn't bother arguing with Ace over there. I think he's made enough posts by now to prove he really doesn't grasp much about the game or what you're saying. Just save yourselves the trouble >.>