Paladin Updates

[Aceofspades]

Endgame is where the hardest content in the game is... What is the point of having PLD in the game if it sucks at what it's built for :/ Once again no one cares about your crappy exp parties.

Rayna...You have not even done any of the new content so how would you know what I am talking about. I don't mean to be a bully but really go try kill chimera/miser on PLD and then switch to WAR and hit me up after(with any setup I might add).

LMFAO, endgame indeed, the suposed "hardest" fight in the game is on farm mode for most LSs, there is no real challange for a party much less a tank in this game other then uber high lvl mobs. tell ya what, have 2 outa your 8 members do absoulutly nothing in Ifrit, then prioritize what you need, well obviously you need dps strong enough and fast enough to counter Ifrits regen. then you need a tank that can take a substantial amount of damage without dieing. cuz once you fill your roles, you only have one spot left for a healer. Park the propaganda, and hype, WAR is a crowd controller and a sub tank for speed runs on ridiculously easy fights. PLD is way under apreciated simply cuz there isnt a challange out there that will allow PLD to shine, everything is easy sauce. So all this ego can just deflate itself , its nothing but hype from people who THINK they have "endgame" on lock.

[carraway]

LMFAO, endgame indeed, the suposed "hardest" fight in the game is on farm mode for most LSs, there is no real challange for a party much less a tank in this game other then uber high lvl mobs. tell ya what, have 2 outa your 8 members do absoulutly nothing in Ifrit, then prioritize what you need, well obviously you need dps strong enough and fast enough to counter Ifrits regen. then you need a tank that can take a substantial amount of damage without dieing. cuz once you fill your roles, you only have one spot left for a healer. Park the propaganda, and hype, WAR is a crowd controller and a sub tank for speed runs on ridiculously easy fights. PLD is way under apreciated simply cuz there isnt a challange out there that will allow PLD to shine, everything is easy sauce. So all this ego can just deflate itself , its nothing but hype from people who THINK they have "endgame" on lock.

You know, I recognize these words as being from the English language, but I try to string them together in my head and all that comes out is pure gibberish.

If anyone takes a step back and looks at the two jobs side-by-side, PLD is supposed to bring self-cures and mitigation to the table. WAR provides drastically higher enmity generation and a higher base HP pool. PLD, by design, addresses aspects of a fight that are not essential to address. The higher enmity generation alone is enough to set WAR apart from PLD, no matter what advantages or disadvantages one might see in either job. No matter how a fight is designed, a WAR tank allows you to get through the fight faster and in a more stable fashion.

Every boss fight in 1.21 can be done with one main healer; Myrmidon Princess/Marshal is probably the most difficult encounter to solo-heal, but that's not saying too much. If fights are designed toward PLD, that would require timed unavoidable abilities that must be mitigated through abilities or else suffer instant death, something like a single-target deathray on the character with the highest enmity with an associated countdown or charge-up. That sort of design is poor fight design, and doesn't address any kind of core issue; it only forces people to play PLD.

If enmity generation parity is reached between WAR and PLD, then the two jobs can still retain their identity and niche benefits. I would still argue that a higher base HP pool is more useful than on-demand mitigation and self-cures, but that's an argument I would prefer over the nonsense currently going on.

[Takinagi]

LMFAO, endgame indeed, the suposed "hardest" fight in the game is on farm mode for most LSs, there is no real challange for a party much less a tank in this game other then uber high lvl mobs. tell ya what, have 2 outa your 8 members do absoulutly nothing in Ifrit, then prioritize what you need, well obviously you need dps strong enough and fast enough to counter Ifrits regen. then you need a tank that can take a substantial amount of damage without dieing. cuz once you fill your roles, you only have one spot left for a healer. Park the propaganda, and hype, WAR is a crowd controller and a sub tank for speed runs on ridiculously easy fights. PLD is way under apreciated simply cuz there isnt a challange out there that will allow PLD to shine, everything is easy sauce. So all this ego can just deflate itself , its nothing but hype from people who THINK they have "endgame" on lock.

Once again someone who has NOT done any of the new content. But really thanks for your input on something you know nothing about!

[AegisXI]

Because endgame is the only thing that matters....

Theres always other stuff u can do then endgame... but u already found that out which is complaining... And if endgame is the only thing that matters then do what most ppl do and get with it.

[Alerith]

Theres always other stuff u can do then endgame... but u already found that out which is complaining... And if endgame is the only thing that matters then do what most ppl do and get with it.

It seems you don't grasp sarcasm very well. I understand it's a difficult thing to identify via the internet, but come now.

[AegisXI]

It seems you don't grasp sarcasm very well. I understand it's a difficult thing to identify via the internet, but come now.

Im sorry but ur sarcasm sux like ur complaining

[Lux_Rayna]

I'm pretty sure the people who say PLD is decent never played it outside of exp/ifrit parties. The only people who should be commenting on PLD's performance are endgame players who have actually tested both WAR and PLD. I mean this is what everyone is upset over right?

Testing them where? In what settings? With what party setup?

The same party setup for WAR will not work for PLD, as they have completely different abilities/strengths/weaknesses. If you run mana burn with a war tank, then try it with a PLD tank, the war tank will *probably* do infinitely better. Why? Because a PLD needs *support*, and it needs the presence of melee dps. Running mage heavy setups doesn't work well with PLD, because all of its awesome skills wont help at all due to mages being out of aoe range.

Imagine a PLD, with BRD support, 2 Melee DPS, and some range heals/dps. BRD comes in to apply buffs, PLD does aoe rampart on every trip he can, which would hit the brd and both melee dps for really nice enmity gain. Divine Veil is infinitely more useful since it stacks with WHM regen, which now gives all of your melees a *lot* more survivability. This means the WHM has to concentrate on less ppl, and it also means the PLD can maintain a very high enmity level from all the cures/regens/aoe rampart spams.

What ppl fail to understand is that PLD makes other melees better. If you just use a bunch of mages, you are wasting all of the PLD's talents. PLD was balanced around a diverse group, not class stacking. Yet I wonder how many ppl actually test it this way. Give that PLD bard support, add in more melee DD's, and then tell me PLD sucks at tanking.

[GreyJorildyn]

Yeah... except no one is saying PLD SUCKS at tanking. They're just saying WAR is better as far as I can tell, which is true. They're also only talking about it in terms of end game, which is where it matters.

[Takinagi]

Don't be mad because we are right and you don't know what the hell you are talking about

[KoujiGeki]

true it be nice to have magic def too