[dev 1032] What's wrong with job/subjob again?

[Kimahri]

But instead it seems some of you care so much about how everyone else is playing that you'd insist on bringing back the pigeon-hole system FFXI has, where every job has to fit neatly in its slot to get anything done, and some jobs are left out entirely.

How about you name me one job that was completely left out? You've no idea what you're talking about. Every job in FFXI had a role to accomplish. That role made it an important part of the gameplay. Like I said; An army is made up of different categories of infantry with different roles to accomplish. They all don't do every role.

[Chione]

How about you name me one job that was completely left out? You've no idea what you're talking about. Every job in FFXI had a role to accomplish. That role made it an important part of the gameplay. Like I said; An army is made up of different categories of infantry with different roles to accomplish. They all don't do every role.

Gladly. Once the melee burn mentality began, black mages stopped being able to get into exp parties. Half their spells and abilities were wasted (elemental debuffs, magic bursting) and they had to more or less solo their way to the top because although no one wanted them for exp parties, they sure as heck wanted them for endgame.

There's one, but I'll give you another. In the same boat was the noble paladin. Once blink-tanking became the popular way to do exp parties, paladins started getting left out in the cold - but as soon as they got big enough for end game, people needed them again.

Not to mention how after the 2-handed patch, monks started being picked last to dragoon and samurai who became the new heavy hitting DDs. Warriors had to drop their one handed axes for two handers. Invites as a thief stopped coming around 40 or so - whenever it became too much of a bother to lineup for SA/TA. All because if you didn't have things just so or didn't do enough damage in a melee, you weren't going to get an invite to a exp party.

Anyone who mained any of these jobs (especially prior to the level sync addition) probably felt very left out.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I believe I every idea of what I'm talking about because I actually still play FFXI - I still deal with that system and all the restrictions you are in favor of. Granted, I play it nowhere near as much as XIV these days, but that's because I have more fun here.

Maybe you've forgotten how just about everyone had to have ninja leveled for sub job, especially for events; Even the white mages. Even the bards. Black mages needed it for solo up till 51. You say an army is made up of different roles. Different ways of doing things. And yet...

It seems to me the system in FFXIV would support your army argument far better than the system FFXI had. Everyone here can fill whatever role they want to build for themselves. If I enjoyed having that role decided for me by popular exp trends, as well as what skills to use on it, I'd be playing FFXI a lot more than I am right now.