Why is the PvP Shadowstalker set unavailable permanently?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

It's pretty irritating that PVP continues to be (nearly) the only source of Glamour gear that isn't just plain clothes anymore, and then it goes away forever. If you want an ensemble your character can wear across Jobs that still looks somewhat battle-ready, you have very little to work with...

Now THAT is a true point. That reminds me that South Korea server happens to have omni-class versions of the Disciple of Hand and Land gear for glamour purposes, some of them looking really nice and sharp like the Armourer or Weaver ones.

I'd totally be up for freeing up how glamour works so we can see more armoured mages, robed tanks, etc. I'd be 10/10 game for it.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Technically about 6-7 years as The Feast Ranked kinda started around Heavensward if I am not wrong.

But yeah, sounds about right.

Not complaining about pvp having cool items. The complaint is that they were limited in number to be given out. Anyone can go back and do ultimate. Not just the first 100 clears per datacenter.



Same with savage.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Not complaining about pvp having cool items. The complaint is that they were limited in number to be given out. Anyone can go back and do ultimate. Not just the first 100 clears per datacenter.



Same with savage.

Riddle me this then. How would you encourage participation and taking the top end of the leader board seriously? If the rewards could just be obtained at any time (or as we see now, the rewards being non-existent), you'd lose competitive integrity since people would care a lot less, which isn't healthy for Ranked in an incentive-driven game.

Believe me, as much as I am defending my point about it I can understand people being mad at the limited supply, but please understand that you simply cannot directly compare PvP Ranked with doing Ultimates or Savages beyond both having exciting items. If there was no limited supply, there would be no actual stakes.

In games like Overwatch this is fine given the whole game is PvP (and Ranked generally is a scaling experience), in FFXIV you have to incentivise players to do something.

[GTK0HLK]

No one cares if youre top 100 in the end.

I say to the contrary of innocence
and guilty as others have said.

While the chances of a person being Earned through merit, or other unsavory means including cards, and manipulation.

The value of being a top player is that you are there. the bonus only exists that you have it.

People also dont care if you were top 100 in the feasts as its gone. so are the skills and changes since then. a top 100 player will have skill, but still have time to adjust to the PVP of today.

So Merit is from Achieving The Heights, or at least the bracket today.

Its why Titles from Solo DD, Advent Plate Frames, Ult/Content Completion weapons Mean something/anything at all. Cause you had to put effort into them.

But what say if the Regions and DCs that have low population. They simply put complete and then vacate, not only making it difficult for those who do want to participate to achieve.

Exclusivity and FOMO BE DAMNED.
<I exclusively do CC Ranked, until I get bored and decide to do FL/etc.., but sadly mogtomes and my streak made it nearly impossible to get a match in before arena changes and requeues>

Cause like I mentioned In this response to any against returning items.
A item doesnt reflect a persons skill or value in content. its their continued Place within it.
<itd be foolish if someone who got within the 100 in the early feasts claim to be top 100 now if they havent partaken in years. Just like saying some old rewards that dont mean anything to anyone anymore, should remain dead.>

[GTK0HLK]

pt1

As for a way to claim it, its the same as Series rewards disappearing or the way we are forced to claim season rewards. they should be permanent, but youre required to begin an old Pass/Chain before you get to accept the next one til you reach Current content. <this is an example from that topic I replied to> Making Current Content, status and Completion Valuable and Exclusive to those who actively Partake(for a while til, not active participants catch up), whilst content and items dont get dropped into the void forever.

its why the topic and idea of the Haves and Havenots always come up.

[even if you dont explicitly state it, its more or less unnecessarily locking items that used to be exclusive, to now be locked off. instead of making it more available.]

as for the whole Naming/attaching Replica to it. you dont need that at all. those who achieved those heights will always be known by those who they actively struggled against. and those who were there.

[could go on and on.., But keeping these things locked behind when their Era is gone, is just as adjacent as the devs keeping Class/job locked items.]

The Answer to the Question is not to Convince, but to Encourage.
There are many who believe they arent worthy or good enough, but at the very least getting them into Casual or into any customs is a start.
<I threw myself into Ranked, so Im some of those who willingly learn through Trial. but to get players to strive to high positions is encouragement, and honestly. a better reward system. which adjacent to Gearing systems. its also something people want to be better in new content as well.., -eyes V/C Dngs->

TLDR: Many giving the typical No, but dont give a detailed potential solution that pleases many.
Over things that have lost their worth years ago. Where the only value that matters, is within those players who were there, and achieved

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Riddle me this then. How would you encourage participation and taking the top end of the leader board seriously? If the rewards could just be obtained at any time (or as we see now, the rewards being non-existent), you'd lose competitive integrity since people would care a lot less, which isn't healthy for Ranked in an incentive-driven game.

Believe me, as much as I am defending my point about it I can understand people being mad at the limited supply, but please understand that you simply cannot directly compare PvP Ranked with doing Ultimates or Savages beyond both having exciting items. If there was no limited supply, there would be no actual stakes.

In games like Overwatch this is fine given the whole game is PvP (and Ranked generally is a scaling experience), in FFXIV you have to incentivise players to do something.

Being top of the leader board isn't enough?



People who get speed clears or world first don't get anything either.



They don't even get titles. Why should top 100 pvp be any different?

[Slayer25c]

you mean not grasping mathematical concepts and refusing to admit you're wrong?

There are 8 data centers currently: 3 NA, 3 JP, 2 EU.

The definition of prime numbers explicitly excludes 1 because including 1 would break so many concepts. Quote: "A prime number (or a prime) is a natural number greater than 1 that is not a product of two smaller natural numbers."

U forgot Oceania

[AnPo]

Riddle me this then. How would you encourage participation and taking the top end of the leader board seriously?

Like same with pve... you know... making content fun to play.

[Commander_Justitia]

People who get speed clears or world first don't get anything either.

I think worldfirst raiders should have something too, instead of making every rare item or achievement the game has accessible to everyone. WoW used to do that, idk if they still do.

You can kinda ask yourself, is an MMORPG allowed to have rare items that not every player can get? Does everyone have to win in a Player vs Player mode, or are losers necessary? This game community maybe likes everyone to be a winner, but thats not really PvP then is it? Either you lose or win. Same with Ishgard Crafting Seasons, I cant get that title anymore now, its not coming back.

There is legacy tattoo, legacy mount, ff14 1.0 titles, old soundtrack minions, emotes of statues that cost a few thousand $ on ebay, all older than the PvP Ranked Items, but only PvP is the baddie with their 5 glam sets that got reskinned 2-4 times. Im not really convinced, especially since PvP became a casual fun meme mode, where you just grind your stuff nowadays.

If you want everything to be 4 all in this MMO, then demand everything and not just this set.

[Saraide]

You didn't say that I care about as few people as possible having the reward, you said that I only care about others not having whatever it is. It is close, but not the same. And I am no demon caring that as few as possible get it either.

All I want is the integrity and meaning of the reward to retain as much significance as possible, hence I am okay with redistribution under similar conditions. This means more can have it, but have to fight and earn it vs farming an unrelated currency until you get it.


I am not 100% sure if I understand your question, so I will have to answer based on how I understand it.

If everyone had access to earning the top 100 mounts from The Feast somehow, it would depend entirely how it is obtainable. Arguably various mounts (or recolours) have been less desirable over Armour sets, therefore I could see even those have looser restrictions than reobtaining Feast Armour. However if they simply got dumped into Trophy Crystal shop or Moogle Tome event, I'd be highly disappointed. I'd know that the Mount meant at least something, so it would bother me if suddenly everyone were to run around with it.

Not simple enough of a question I see.

I'd be okay with that. Literally anything to tell apart the original from the replica.

This however is a perfectly working compromise for me. I dont care at all if the glams I use has the name replica in front of it or not.

Riddle me this then. How would you encourage participation and taking the top end of the leader board seriously? If the rewards could just be obtained at any time (or as we see now, the rewards being non-existent), you'd lose competitive integrity since people would care a lot less, which isn't healthy for Ranked in an incentive-driven game.

Believe me, as much as I am defending my point about it I can understand people being mad at the limited supply, but please understand that you simply cannot directly compare PvP Ranked with doing Ultimates or Savages beyond both having exciting items. If there was no limited supply, there would be no actual stakes.

In games like Overwatch this is fine given the whole game is PvP (and Ranked generally is a scaling experience), in FFXIV you have to incentivise players to do something.

A lot of raiders care a lot about the colour on their log and that has literally 0 reward to it, it's not even something official. Getting world first on ultimate gives you nothing. Clearing week 1 has no meaning beyond getting a mount a few weeks earlier than slower people. And yet many raiders care a lot about it.