What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Graeham]

For now, I am simply holding my breath and waiting for the new MSQs to captivate me in the same manner that the original storyline did...and hopefully without evoking as much mental/emotional dissonance as Endwalker did.

This is main true. Tread is here to tell all the anger.

Writer say many thing wrong. They say that Rala Alien would be future of No Shadow God. This wrong. But they mess up. They plan releasing the robot bar. We make prediction that writer would mess up and show the contradict.

But then the writer they reading the forum and change the story. Now Rala Alien is prove future of No Shadow God and all zombie people of Thule Star laughing at them in ending. This is humiliate for guild to be prove wrong and writer do this out of the evil. This is why we angry. The writer they keep read what predict we make and they change story. This make many player join guild out of the frustrate. We must correct course back to original German story from which Japan script was made the wrong translation.

[Teraq]

Hostile drivel? There was nothing hostile in what I said. Sorry if I offended you snowflake.

Let's play the game of spot the hostile language!

You don't have a discussion here.

-Sweeping statement making a casual dismissal of the numerous criticisms and arguments brought up throughout the course of this thread

You complain incessantly

-Negative, hostile connotation of the verb "complain" as opposed to a more neutral word such as "criticize", as well as hyperbole with "incessantly" to portray your opposition as obsessed in an unhinged way (when the fact is that this thread has dramatically slowed down in recent months, thanks to a number of people apparently unsubbing)

about things that will never change

-Fatalistic statement to make your opposition sound unreasonable, even though, with the passing of the torch from Ishikawa to new main scenario writers and overall "new blood", there is no way to assert for certain that story direction will indeed never change based on official forum feedback.

or try to spread your opinion like is it gospel.

-Fallacious comparison to a cult or false religion. Rather baseless as well, as this thread is fairly contained, with at least a couple of posters expressing that they do not, in fact, participate in FFXIV social media/discussion anymore since Endwalker. I would say that is the opposite of "trying to spread their opinion like is it (sic) gospel".

and what precisely did it yield? Nothing.

-Again a fatalistic dismissive statement of the potential impact of this discussion. If we want to be precise, it has yielded something: community, and a betterment of my mental health in a time when I needed support. I am very thankful to this thread in particular for introducing me to people I enjoy talking to and feel understood by, some of whom I consider friends now.

You didn't change the opinion of others.

-Yet another of the same ilk. How many people lurk these forums? What is their opinion? You do not know this, of course, no more than I do. Yet all the same you are dismissing your opposition in a way that sounds callous.

You merely like to

-Another instance of specific wording to minimize the validity of this thread's arguments.

have a place to beat your chest and scream loudly.

-Animalistic metaphor usually used to evoke a picture of gorilla-like brutality and unsophistication

schlock.

There was nothing hostile in what I said.

-Attempt to deflect accusation with a strong and determined denial of reality aimed at making the other person question their judgment and mental state. Also called gaslighting.

Sorry if I offended you

-A classic fake apology I would wager every minority has heard from the privileged majority at least once. Rather than apologizing for antisocial behavior, the person rejects the fault on the wronged party, implying that the latter is simply hypersensitive.

snowflake.

-This is a continuation of the "hypersensitive and constantly offended" narrative above. Which, incidentally, is often used by right-leaning people to insult the more left-leaning when they engage in progressive identity politics. But I thought everyone had agreed the bad, terrible, awful, no-good Endwalker dissenters also all happened to be conservatives and fascist supporters of the Garlean Empire and the superior race of Ancients? I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you!



This is how boring Final Fantasy XIV currently is, by the way. Making this post on January 1st. I am frankly ashamed I spent so many minutes of my (mortal, suffering, imperfect) life on a Limsan catgirl.

[Striker44]

This is how boring Final Fantasy XIV currently is, by the way. Making this post on January 1st. I am frankly ashamed I spent so many minutes of my (mortal, suffering, imperfect) life on a Limsan catgirl.

Meanwhile, log into the game and see it extremely active, PF full of a huge variety of groups, queues popping for anything under the sun (I even picked a random non-MSQ dungeon as DPS yesterday for the weekly book and had an almost instant queue), and the list goes on. Let's put it into real perspective - you might be bored (which is fine) - but the general sentiment among the playerbase is the polar opposite.

(And yes, when you just spent that much time trying to randomly pick apart every word someone said, most of it falling flat to boot, it might be time to step away for a bit. That's not meant as a "get lost" comment, but actual advice to make a healthy decision.)

[Graeham]

The Limsa it only able to continue the unmoral way with the lewt catman is because the Tariq repay the sub monies again to continue. He will bring back fallen brother by pay all of the sub money to continue fight. Can fund the small indy studio with all the monies. Only because the hate of the player pay the money can you have the game. Otherwise it run out of money and game close forever.

You must respect the work.

[Misplaced_Marbles]

I am frankly ashamed I spent so many minutes of my (mortal, suffering, imperfect) life on a Limsan catgirl.

I'm sure Reap00 isn't in Limsa, they're in the ward(s) owned by their personal FC instead. Then again, it's probably a ward in the mists...

[Graeham]

All the unmoral is in the Limsa. You go to the sand hotel in the Uld on the Balmung it is the pure and the innocence where the chara work on build the muscle and study the magic of the fist. But game it take you to the Limsa and you fall into the vice of the pit. All the cat are from there you can tell. Even the cheesieburger is in the Limsa. Do not trust.

In new version of game we will remove the Limsa to protect the pure.

[Brinne]

As someone who has gotten frustrated with the direction of the thread before, and even thought "yeah, its time has probably passed", it's always a little funny to see it starting to slide away and then get inevitably bumped back up to the front page for days by people asking "wtf why is this still here" and subsequently trolling. I mean, okay. Sure.

This is a continuation of the "hypersensitive and constantly offended" narrative above. Which, incidentally, is often used by right-leaning people to insult the more left-leaning when they engage in progressive identity politics. But I thought everyone had agreed the bad, terrible, awful, no-good Endwalker dissenters also all happened to be conservatives and fascist supporters of the Garlean Empire and the superior race of Ancients? I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you!

This has always been a little "huh" for me, since - not that it matters much for the purposes of game discussion in most cases - I'm about as hard left as you can ask for, and so are most of my friends who play the game; if you asked me personally, I'd say a lot of my own qualms with where Endwalker's writing took things are intertwined deeply with my progressive standpoint? Not into the whole orientation of one's worth around "strength" to the point of condemning a post-scarcity society that has accomplished strong social support and networks for supposedly lacking it (y-yay primitivism?), very weird Social Darwinist overtures, accepting the premise that one should and must prove one's worthiness to exist, the uncritical self-celebratory cheerleading, and bizarre abstractions to justify mass violence against an Othered population complete with historical/cultural erasure. Not into it!

Not that others can't - and haven't - expressed different angles for disliking Endwalker (that I often disagree with, and may or may not have outright clashed with people about), but I guess it's not the first or last time I've seen political-ish (or identity-ish) inferences made about one's general response to the game or characters where I've just gone "Huh. Uh. Hm. Unsures at"

[Graeham]

I do not understand the post but it sound like what is teach of the university or the twitter. It sound like it support the guild so is ok.

[BaconBits]

Grow up please. Thanks.

No. You're welcome.

[Axxion]

No. You're welcome.

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