VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Allegor]

Literally just "we're too lazy to work on the star race of a new country" and you cant even say muh covid or the crew also working on new savage content or ff16 because SOMEHOW, ON THE WINGS AND PRAYERS OF ANGELS, they had time to work on male viera, who are not lore critical to anything even vaguely in game. "but female viera" all come from ff12 transplanted golmore which is a female only society of viera unlike every single hrothgar in game telling you about THEIR queen or their wives.

You got a point there but we all knew that was entirely and uniquely because of fanservice....and maybe because the male Viera crowd were acting like rabid dogs about it. And even then, male Viera came out in EW so it would've been too late anyways....though I guess they could have pulled a Fran and show a unique npc earlier but it may have been too early, idk.

[Caro178]

They made male Viera because they wanted to, just like they're making female Hrothgar because they want to. Yeah, Viera got implemented first - I imagine they were also a lot easier to make, and with them came quality of life and customization options for both males and the existing females. Blaming and putting down the other race in similar shoes in terms of completeness/not having access to everything doesn't help at all. Everybody here is on the same side in terms of wanting access to more options, more headgear and indeed female Hrothgar.

Admittedly I don't feel the same rancor regarding Bozja. It was whatever. Some fun instances, I guess. I absolutely adore FFXII (it's my third favourite behind IX and XIV) but XIV isn't XII and even the things in XIV that came from XII are different in this context. I also loved the hell out of Endwalker as an expansion. Shadowbringers and Endwalker squarely rooted XIV among my favourite games ever.

The game is always changing and evolving. People genuinely thought they would never expand hairstyle options for Viera or Hrothgar, yet they have. People expected pleny of gear to be gender locked, and now a lot of it isn't. One day Viera and Hrothgar will have significantly greater headgear compatibility. One day female Hrothgar will be in the game. Furthermore, now that all the races are in the game there are going to be opportunities to introduce more Hrothgar and Viera characters. I wouldn't be surprised if a female Hrothgar became a core character going forward into 7.0 once they are implemented.

[Midareyukki]

They made male Viera because they wanted to, just like they're making female Hrothgar because they want to. Yeah, Viera got implemented first - I imagine they were also a lot easier to make, and with them came quality of life and customization options for both males and the existing females. Blaming and putting down the other race in similar shoes in terms of completeness/not having access to everything doesn't help at all. Everybody here is on the same side in terms of wanting access to more options, more headgear and indeed female Hrothgar.

Oh I'm sorry, was that what your race said when they didn't give you lot Male Viera on the spot? Or was it "Hrothgar stole Male Viera"?

If I remember correctly, what the devs wanted was Male Hrothgar and Female Viera, but clearly that didn't stop you guys from clamouring :CRAB: MALE VIERA :CRAB: on their streams, did it?

...seriously though? I know you're right in some aspects, because it ultimately doesn't matter. But don't come with that crap when everyone with half a brain and paid attention knows damned well what happened.

And yeah. At least from my part, when I compare the stuff that came from FF12, I compare it because the devs specifically brought in the guy who made Ivalice to begin with. So I had an expectation of his quality, not of the content. The content should be adapted to FF14. And the same goes for anyone who thinks Hrothgar HAVE to follow what FF10 said about Ronso; we're not the Ronso. Now, if people think the two races are better executed in 12 and 10 in comparison to 14, then let them say so. In fact, where you fall short, again, is the fact that you say that... but you don't acknowledge how your own lore is 90% ripped straight out of FF12 directly with super minimal adjustments.

And lastly... "People genuinely thought they would never expand hairstyle options for Viera or Hrothgar, yet they have."

...I'm sorry, but are we going to ignore the context of how long it took and how it happened for Hrothgar?
Easy for a Viera to say, not gonna lie, you guys have had quite a fair bit handed to you on a rush. While the devs were too busy "doing Male Viera because they wanted to", Hrothgar hadn't seen a dime in their lives, whereas Viera actually got hairstyles. Hairstyles which were then ported over to Hrothgar, because there just weren't anything better, apparently.

Because yeah, great, it happened. And yet people have trepidation over their future, hmmmmmmmmm i wonder why i wonder why...

[Midareyukki]

Did anyone forget how, because they didn't release Male Viera, the devs were pressured with comments on their streams, people demanding for the opposite genders before the races' problems got resolved and even harassed with people calling them homophobic for some reason?

Because I do:
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So no. Be real, they didn't do it because "they wanted to". They caved to constant nagging because people kept asking for it. Some less pleasantly than others.

Where do you see Hrothgars behave this way? I won't deny there were people asking for Femgars, but they were in no way as numerous enough to warrant a change, which leads me to think it's happening out of fairness.

[Pip_Chick]

... unlike every single hrothgar in game telling you about THEIR queen or their wives.

*Dead wives.
Regardless I was so done when I heard this bull about the way the Queen was elected. I thought it was needlessly religious and going against the Queen Gunhildr lore! She was not elected as a leader because she was good at reading stars. She was chosen as a leader because she was a strong warrior who gathered all Hrothgar on her side!
I would have loved if instead of this pope thing, the Queen was chosen through a fighting tournament. All female Hrothgar could enter and the strongest one wins and gets to become the new Gunhildr.
But that would have made more sense I guess and we can't have that in the story of the thirsty lizard after all.

[XiRon]

Something I just really want for hrothgar is for hrothgar to get Windcaller before viera. Its absolute crap 2 of the 3 hair options from Bozja are usable on viera but not hrothgar, to begin with, but a simple "hrothgar hair" google search will invariably bring up images of moddedgars in the windcaller hair. It originated as obtainable from bozja, we SHOULD have gotten all tje bozjan stuff usable for hrothgar, including the bozjan gearset hats (someone is so dead asleep on the job it aint even funny anymore its just pathetic), before we got the wet garbage 2B hair for godssake. But oh no. Mannah from heavem rains down on viera heads every patch meanwhile hrothgar are so badly treated despite fixing the ear issue in 6.2 in August when 6.1 dropped on the korean servers they had to be cursed with earless styles for no reason. Well not no reason, the reason is hrothgar got none of the 6.1 styles viera got for 6.2 so they stretched hrothgar treatments out deliberately to work on them less. I sincerely believe they screwed over hrothgar on both EW launch (nothing new, couldnt even use their own faces styles wo fantasia) and 6.1 so they could spend more time on their fave new toys.

[Caro178]

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I really wouldn't know because I wasn't around for any of that. I've been playing the game for going on 3 years now, but I certainly never demanded a thing regarding male Viera and I never posted a thing here until we started getting updates around 6.1. I just think the criticism should be directed at SE, not at Viera players or players of any other race. We are all on the same boat imho. Everybody here has complaints, and those complaints really shouldn't be about each other.

[Zebraoracle]

I really wouldn't know because I wasn't around for any of that. I've been playing the game for going on 3 years now, but I certainly never demanded a thing regarding male Viera and I never posted a thing here until we started getting updates around 6.1. I just think the criticism should be directed at SE, not at Viera players or players of any other race. We are all on the same boat imho. Everybody here has complaints, and those complaints really shouldn't be about each other.

While you're technically correct that we should all be on the same side, keep in mind that hrothgar players have had to deal with insulting comments from other players far more than any other race, from people hating hroths because they're the "furry" race (even though plenty of non-furry players play them), to outright telling hroth players they should shut up and get over it and live with what they've got (especially insulting because it's always a femqo'te), to absolute bs like hroths ruined Viera release/are ruining other races. So while maybe a few of my fellow hroth players are a bit too heated in their last posts, you can understand why and can maybe see why your comments can, accidentally and unintentionally I'm sure, draw out a more combative reaction.

[Pip_Chick]

They made male Viera because they wanted to, just like they're making female Hrothgar because they want to. Yeah, Viera got implemented first - I imagine they were also a lot easier to make, and with them came quality of life and customization options for both males and the existing females. Blaming and putting down the other race in similar shoes in terms of completeness/not having access to everything doesn't help at all. Everybody here is on the same side in terms of wanting access to more options, more headgear and indeed female Hrothgar.

Here is how I see it. And I don't want to sound mean. I do like Viera and think they are neat, they are not my favourite, but my friends like them and I got good experiences with my friends, and by association, I had good experiences with Viera. With all of that being said the thing that you wrote is very one-sided, unfair and a bit cruel.

With the coming of 6.0, Viera got their male counterpart, headgear and hairstyles. All the while Hrothgar was given nothing.

It is very easy for you to think that things got better when you got what you wanted. On the other hand, Hrothgar was left again with "Please look forward to it" TM.

Male Viera got implemented first because the fans were pushing for it, through the crab emoji spam of the live letters, the continuous harassment that the devs got and the bad publicity from the news and articles on the games. It was not because they wanted to make male Viera, it was because they wanted to end the harassment. They are more free with the making of female Hrothgar because while the fans want them as well, they don't go to the lengths the Male Viera fanatics have gone.

The quality of life and customisation were, as stated above, Viera only. The Male Viera and hairstyles were only given to Viera while Hrothgar were told to wait for 6.1 (and we all know what happened in 6.1).

I would love to not have to blame the Viera or put them down, but the truth of the matter is that it is very clear who is the favourite child between Hrothgar and Viera. So in all honesty I don't blame you, I blame square for their blatant favouritism.

I would have liked more if in 6.0 we got Male Viera and more customisation options for Hrothgar. I think that would have been fair. As it stands right now, Viera were given a coin while Hrothgar were left with an empty palm.

[XiRon]

While you're technically correct that we should all be on the same side, keep in mind that hrothgar players have had to deal with insulting comments from other players far more than any other race, from people hating hroths because they're the "furry" race (even though plenty of non-furry players play them), to outright telling hroth players they should shut up and get over it and live with what they've got (especially insulting because it's always a femqo'te), to absolute bs like hroths ruined Viera release/are ruining other races. So while maybe a few of my fellow hroth players are a bit too heated in their last posts, you can understand why and can maybe see why your comments can, accidentally and unintentionally I'm sure, draw out a more combative reaction.

dont get it confused I have no problem with viera or even mviera but the problem is the absolutely blatant favoritism.
"fans like viera more" ok and nobody plays froe or felf but ya still find the time to keep them updated every patch cycle, so like show a race who existed BEFORE mviera a mite more love please god just once?
Like I know viera are getting windcaller in 6.3 because it should(?) be next in line in their bizarro hair update cycle, and I really dont want hrothgar to have to wait til MAYBE 6.5 much less some time an expansion later to get the one redeeming jewel from doing bozja content.
Theres also that fact its been 3 years and not one event has starred a hrothgar npc but male viera got to be the star of xmas because...sure?