VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[SeverianLyonesse]

Bumping this because it's been a week since the last post and still no hats.

This should be *the* most important thread on the forums. We should never let this drop below the first page, shame. Sorry catchildren, I really don't care about your teeth yet when this massive gap in development quality remains.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I'm still waiting on the new race exclusive hairstyles we were promised for our female viera back when they were first released.

[DrForester]

We're never getting hats. It's something the devs are never going to work on.

Start accepting that now because in one of the next two live letters, they're going to show off that feature where all the non-limited races get a new equipment slot so they can wear their glasses. A nice new feature that will have no real impact on Viera and Hrothgar because glasses are about all we can wear now as it is. Showing off this new feature for all the other races is going to suck for players that won't be able to take advantage of it.

And also just seems kind of tone deaf on their part given they're launching yet another limited race option with 7.0.

[Iscah]

A nice new feature that will have no real impact on Viera and Hrothgar because glasses are about all we can wear now as it is.

Viera and Hrothgar can wear circlets, hoods, flower hairpins, small hats, horns... even if they never get "true hats", the separation of glasses will be beneficial to them.

I do in fact agree that players may need to accept that for some reason beyond our comprehension, the devs seem to regard it as impossible to give these characters normal hats, so I can only assume there is some kind of limitation that modders are able to get around for some reason. I don't believe it's as simple as "they won't spend the time" because there actually are signs in the benchmark trailer that they may be going out of their way to make modified hats for at least the job sets in the vein of the tiny Fall Guys hats – so if true, that would mean they are taking on long-term adjustment work for every hat anyway, so why not put that work into simply making it wearable if they could?

The thing that keeps running through my mind in these "what were the devs thinking" conversations is a way of thinking about motives – perhaps with an undignified origin, as I heard it from one of the Phoenix Wright games, but maybe it has history beyond that – basically, "to understand why a person did something illogical, don't try to think of a reason why the person would do it; think about what circumstances would force them to do it."

It seems illogical to not fix the hairstyles so hats will work and they can stop getting this endless hassle. It seems even more illogical to keep hairstyles face-locked and especially to build that way for female Hrothgar. It's not just a matter of "putting in the work" because there are signs that they are putting in work to keep the races separated from the rest, if anything.

So what's forcing them to approach it this way?

[SeverianLyonesse]

We're never getting hats. It's something the devs are never going to work on.

I think we have seen enough commentary from the devs that they might be working on it quietly, the same way they were working on femHroths without comment for quite some time.

Also, change never happens without persistent public demonstration. You are entitled to be defeatist but some of us still think the protesting is worth it regardless of whether the devs ultimately listen.

So what's forcing them to approach it this way?

I think this is just a useless angle to attack the issue. We already know through fan mods that every hat can be made to work to some degree. I think it is fairly well-established that the problem with Viera and Hrothgar is largely the way their ears, horns, and noses mess with proportion and probable extrusion points; it's not some unknowable thing. We know it is a finite problem, not some endlessly daunting task, and even if they couldn't find a way to restructure character models or headgear to perfectly sync algorithmically, it wouldn't kill someone to go through the anomalies and manually tweak them; there are only so many hats and helmets in the game. Once they settled on a system, it would likely take a single full-time employee less than a week to manually change every piece of headgear in the game on Viera and Hroth characters.

I just don't agree with this kind of "we can't know" argument from ignorance. It is clearly doable, both demonstrably and logically, and well-within the sort of cleanup that many companies would do purely for their own pride and ego.

[DrForester]

I think we have seen enough commentary from the devs that they might be working on it quietly, the same way they were working on femHroths without comment for quite some time.

Devs can say whatever they like. Viera and Hrothgar were introduced 5 years ago, so their comments on the topic are worthless at this point.

They want to make a statement that isn't just hot-air? Show us something.

[SeverianLyonesse]

Devs can say whatever they like. Viera and Hrothgar were introduced 5 years ago, so their comments on the topic are worthless at this point.

They want to make a statement that isn't just hot-air? Show us something.

All I'm saying is we got very minimal comments on femhroth, silence for a couple years, and then a reveal out of nowhere. *If* we do get hats, I could easily see it happening the same way, virtually unannounced until it is actually happening.

I am maintaining some small hope that they are already working on it or may even stealth release it with Dawntrail. We see four examples of hats in Dawntrail promos, each implying different degrees of the potential extent of implementation:

* Wuk Lamat has a big hat on. Clearly femHroths can make it work to some extent.
* There is another Hroth wearing headgear in the background of the Krile cinematic.
* There is the Viera wearing the tiny Scholar hat (maybe hinting at past hats being worked around this way).
* There is the Hrothguy wearing the mining visor (which is the least satisfying of all the implementations but it's still not nothing).

Honestly, I wouldn't even be too miffed if there were a lot of compromise as suggested by the tiny Viera hat and Hroth visor. As much as I want access to BIG HATS on my Hroth (which one would think would be the easiest to implement since they cover everything), just having more style options--restrictions, compromises, and all--generally would be preferable to having 98% of headgear be invisible.

[LittleArrow]

Bumping this because it's been a week since the last post and still no hats.

This should be *the* most important thread on the forums. We should never let this drop below the first page, shame. Sorry catchildren, I really don't care about your teeth yet when this massive gap in development quality remains.

I couldn't agree more. I know it's ridiculous to feel this way, but when I saw there was no mention of the Viera hat update or Hrothgar hair / hat after introducing Fem Hrothgar, I was about to cancel my sub. I've been waiting on Viera since Yoshi put it on a survey almost 10yrs ago. I agreed with the forums to give them time; surely it'll be out in Endwalker. Then I waited thinking, oh they're working on Fem Hroth, they'll update everything once they're released. Well, that's it. I'm going into my villain arc. There is NO reason this shouldn't be fixed. FFXIV is (so far as I know please correct me on this) their biggest money maker. WE give them the funds to produce THEIR games. ABSOLUTELY they should fix OUR characters. If my money is going to fund FF16, and the FF7 remake trilogy, THEN I SHOULD GET TO WEAR MY AF HATS!!!!!!!

I'm done waiting, I'm not excited about the expansion, I'm very unhappy with the excuses - There's no excuse!! Finish these races that we're paying to play!! >:E

[Iscah]

I just don't agree with this kind of "we can't know" argument from ignorance. It is clearly doable, both demonstrably and logically, and well-within the sort of cleanup that many companies would do purely for their own pride and ego.

That's kind of my point, though. For all the reasons you just listed, you would think they should do it and save themselves a lot of long-term grief, so why aren't they doing it?

[Siddiax]

It's been so long since I fanta'd that I had forgotten what it is to wear actual helmets, and I'd really love to do so again... Would be nice to hear more from SQE about this soon.