Please add damage meters, Yoshi P.

[Bobby66]

Do we play the same game? Are you part of some kind of static that never pugs or interacts with other people or something?

There's plenty of toxicity in the highend community; I could probably fill an entire book with the experiences I've had raiding on this game. Two of FFXIVs most popular raid streamers have a lot of content that revolves around demeaning other players live on their streams. You really can't get much more visible than that.

Those streamers point out players that often start shit of make claims that are factually incorrect so they get called out. How is that toxic? Calling out poor play is not toxic and if it happens often to someone then maybe it is time to take a hint.

[LittleImp]

Those streamers point out players that often start shit of make claims that are factually incorrect so they get called out. How is that toxic? Calling out poor play is not toxic and if it happens often to someone then maybe it is time to take a hint.

No.
No they do not lmao. Let me regale you with a fun story.

Back in my first raid tier (Alexander Creator), Xenosys Vex joined my PF to 'help', unannounced. At the time, I had no idea who he was, but my good MCH friend that I was progging with got super excited and explained to me who he was. A few pulls later, my friend excitedly tuned into the stream and I heard his excitement turn to horror as he realized he tuned in right as Xenosys Vex was publicly mocking him with his entire chat joining in, specifically because his DPS appeared low. That friend ended up feeling so gutted that he quit raiding for a long time after that experience, and then eventually stopped playing the game altogether.

My response to that person wasn't even specifically about meters. It was addressing the absolutely deranged notion that, quote, "The *only* toxicity in this game comes from toxic casuals".

That said, anyone who has spent 5 minutes in highend communities knows exactly how much toxicity there is around parsing. It's the most common 'competitive' activity that the general raiding population participates in, and when something is competitive, there's always toxicity. I'm forced to believe anyone in this thread pretending it isn't a thing is being willfully disingenuous.

[Voltyblast]

That friend ended up feeling so gutted that he quit raiding for a long time after that experience, and then eventually stopped playing the game altogether.

Yikes, it is true when they say "never meet your heroes". I wasn't a follower of him but I remember watching some vids about him cause of warrior stuff, but damn that's outright mean. Not sure even if fully toxic, but it's just outright mean spirited.
One thing is saying "their dps is low, but could be worse", another thing is just throwing crap at them and completely discouraging them from improving.

[Bobby66]

No.
No they do not lmao. Let me regale you with a fun story.

Back in my first raid tier (Alexander Creator), Xenosys Vex joined my PF to 'help', unannounced. At the time, I had no idea who he was, but my good MCH friend that I was progging with got super excited and explained to me who he was. A few pulls later, my friend excitedly tuned into the stream and I heard his excitement turn to horror as he realized he tuned in right as Xenosys Vex was publicly mocking him with his entire chat joining in, specifically because his DPS appeared low. That friend ended up feeling so gutted that he quit raiding for a long time after that experience, and then eventually stopped playing the game altogether.

My response to that person wasn't even specifically about meters. It was addressing the absolutely deranged notion that, quote, "The *only* toxicity in this game comes from toxic casuals".

That said, anyone who has spent 5 minutes in highend communities knows exactly how much toxicity there is around parsing. It's the most common 'competitive' activity that the general raiding population participates in, and when something is competitive, there's always toxicity. I'm forced to believe anyone in this thread pretending it isn't a thing is being willfully disingenuous.

As I said calling out someone for poor play is not toxic, sounds like your friend was playing poorly. So where exactly is the problem? Let us also be fair, Xeno is known to be harsh, so what exactly was your friend expecting? No way he was a fan of them and never seen him be harsh to others. Problem is your friend probably thought he was good because no one said anything to him because in FFXIV any mention of performance allegedly can get you reported. So people do not say a thing then go on for a time thinking they are doing fine because they are able to clear the content. Sounds like Xeno gave your friend a realty check.

Offense is taken not given, a person only has control over their own actions.

[LittleImp]

As I said calling out someone for poor play is not toxic, sounds like your friend was playing poorly. So where exactly is the problem?

Publicly shaming a new player in a learning party hosted for their benefit, on a stream they never directly consented to be on isn't toxic? Ok lmao.

Let us also be fair, Xeno is known to be harsh, so what exactly was your friend expecting? No way he was a fan of them and never seen him be harsh to others.

The friend wasn't a 'fan'. He was just broadly aware that Xenosys Vex was a popular content creator at the time. Most people tend to know who people like MTQ, Mr.Happy or Momo are without ever seeing any of their content.

Problem is your friend probably thought he was good because no one said anything to him because in FFXIV any mention of performance allegedly can get you reported. So people do not say a thing then go on for a time thinking they are doing fine because they are able to clear the content.

This is how Xeno calls people out for poor play lmao:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLWa2c-_jL0

You think this is an acceptable way to treat another human being because they are 'playing poorly'?

[Bobby66]

Publicly shaming a new player in a learning party hosted for their benefit, on a stream they never directly consented to be on isn't toxic? Ok lmao.



The friend wasn't a 'fan'. He was just broadly aware that Xenosys Vex was a popular content creator at the time. Most people tend to know who people like MTQ, Mr.Happy or Momo are without ever seeing any of their content.



This is how Xeno calls people out for poor play lmao:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLWa2c-_jL0

You think this is an acceptable way to treat another human being because they are 'playing poorly'?

He is not wrong though, opening with a gap closer is kind of meh. Also clearly he is playing it up for the stream, anyone can see that. Taking offense over a streamer shaming you is kinda pointless cause you know within that ecosystem overreactions is where the money is at. For me personally I found it funny, but it takes a great deal to get under my skin. Generally I try to take things in stride, and I am a shit tier player, been called the works.

Forget damage meters. I wanna see how many clears you have.

I can get behind this, hell would be nice if you could set how many clears a person needs as an option for PF. Clearing metric is not perfect but hey it is something.

[VelKallor]

As I said calling out someone for poor play is not toxic, sounds like your friend was playing poorly. So where exactly is the problem?

Which is what Arthars got banned for, remember?

Offense is taken not given, a person only has control over their own actions.

Actions have consequences. BTW that same streamer has confessed he harassed and kicked new players in Prae for watching cutscenes.

[Deceptus]

No.
No they do not lmao. Let me regale you with a fun story.

Back in my first raid tier (Alexander Creator), Xenosys Vex joined my PF to 'help', unannounced. At the time, I had no idea who he was, but my good MCH friend that I was progging with got super excited and explained to me who he was. A few pulls later, my friend excitedly tuned into the stream and I heard his excitement turn to horror as he realized he tuned in right as Xenosys Vex was publicly mocking him with his entire chat joining in, specifically because his DPS appeared low. That friend ended up feeling so gutted that he quit raiding for a long time after that experience, and then eventually stopped playing the game altogether.

My response to that person wasn't even specifically about meters. It was addressing the absolutely deranged notion that, quote, "The *only* toxicity in this game comes from toxic casuals".

Streamers live and die by drama they create. Normal people don't do this. Xeno is an extreme outlier who is also a pompous, arrogant @$$.