Playing an expansion as current content has been a lacklustre MMO experience

[Shurrikhan]

Want lacklustre?

DIRECT from the WOW forums

i mean if you say you hate M+ and Raid and PvP, then yeah, GW2 probably is a better fit for you.

Lets just put that into perspective, shall we?

A PAY TO PLAY MMO player is telling someone else that a[B] FREE TO PLAY MMO has more to offer.

...as a fit for their preferred combat content style.

Fractals, while holding a similar place to M+, are still as different from them as a vastly undergeared M0 is from an M15 despite one's having similar TTK.
Similarly, the WvW zergs may be more their cup of tea than the more objective based epic battlegrounds or the smaller RBGs, let alone arena.

If you axe those differences, there's still as much to do to progress or catch up through in WoW without delving into M+, raids, or PvP as there is on GW2 or in XIV outside of relic grind periods (and even then only if you discount faction progress for WoW on the sole basis of them not necessarily providing ilvl rewards past the casual level without similar reductions for XIV).

Oh the copium is REAL...

Perhaps, though you may be mistaken about whose copium, or in what direction it aims.

XIV is... fine(?), but it's not some exactly showing up other MMOs' "lackluster midcore content," let alone in terms of longevity of breadth of relevance.

The humungous number of live letters we get from the team is FAR in excess of what Blizzard has ever done.

Yet we get far less in terms of concrete, complete, and/or coherent reasoning explaining changes or what is likely for future adjustments. I'm not sure hearing a lot more politically-savvy fluff should be called a bonus.

I'd rather just see the odd blue post in my role forum that actually explains the short, mid, and long-term implications and impacts of current directions in job/spec/general design there than hear the more consistent half-minute of lip-service in which we're essentially gas-lighted as unappeasable just because the devs can't find, on a metaphorical scale of 1-10, a solution between 3 and 8.

[strawberrycake]

...as a fit for their preferred combat style.

Fractals, while holding a similar place to M+, are still as different from them as a vastly undergeared M0 is from an M15 despite one's having similar TTK.
Similarly, the WvW zergs may be more their cup of tea than the more objective based epic battlegrounds or the smaller RBGs, let alone arena.

If you axe there's differences, there's still as much to do to progress or catch up through in WoW without delving into M+, raids, or PvP as there is on GW2 or in XIV outside of relic grind periods (and even then only if you discount faction progress for WoW on the sole basis of them not necessarily providing ilvl rewards past the casual level without similar reductions for XIV).


Perhaps, though you may be mistaken about whose copium, or in what direction it aims.

XIV is... fine(?), but it's not some exactly showing up other MMOs' "lackluster midcore content," let alone in terms of longevity of breadth of relevance.



Yet we get far less in terms of concrete, complete, and/or coherent reasoning explaining changes or what is likely for future adjustments. I'm not sure hearing a lot more politically-savvy fluff should be called a bonus.

THis person doesn't want to have a conversation in good faith, just let them be with their opinions of the game. It's not like they make up the swaths of people who play it.

[Deveryn]

Yet we get far less in terms of concrete, complete, and/or coherent reasoning explaining changes or what is likely for future adjustments. I'm not sure hearing a lot more politically-savvy fluff should be called a bonus.

We get so little because people can barely handle even that much without losing their minds. Surely you saw the threads about what Island Sanctuary was "going to be" and how disappointed people were when they were certain it would be like that. Now imagine they gave us a more detailed plan and explanation for one of the upcoming changes... That patch day comes and things aren't as they were originally told. All hell breaks loose because "you promised us".

[Shurrikhan]

We get so little because people can barely handle even that much without losing their minds. Surely you saw the threads about what Island Sanctuary was "going to be" and how disappointed people were when they were certain it would be like that. Now imagine they gave us a more detailed plan and explanation for one of the upcoming changes... That patch day comes and things aren't as they were originally told. All hell breaks loose because "you promised us".

I'm more referring to combat / job changes, such as that of Kaiten's removal, or why they couldn't simply make button consolidation conditional instead of bouncing back and forth between the likes of High Jump<->Mirage Dive.

Conveying the scale/scope of new content is, kind of notoriously, different.

[Deveryn]

I'm more referring to combat / job changes, such as that of Kaiten's removal, or why they couldn't simply make button consolidation conditional instead of bouncing back and forth between the likes of High Jump<->Mirage Dive.

Conveying the scale/scope of new content is, kind of notoriously, different.

I know what you're referring to. They've actually gotten better at least explaining things after the fact. Job guides now feature more transparency regarding changes.

High Jump went back to the way it was because of a lot of feedback.

[Magikazam]

I know what you're referring to. They've actually gotten better at least explaining things after the fact. Job guides now feature more transparency regarding changes.

High Jump went back to the way it was because of a lot of feedback.

Glad they ignore SAM and Healer who complain since 6.1 and 6.0 then.

[Deveryn]

Glad they ignore SAM and Healer who complain since 6.1 and 6.0 then.

SAM is fine. Healers ... sometimes cause disbands for memeing too hard.

For XIV lets talk about how they have forgetten systems like Deep dungeons[I know they are adding a new one, but they could have easily kept the old ones updated with rewards]

DD are there for the xp and glams. They award current tomes. What updates do you feel they need?

[Magikazam]

SAM is fine. Healers ... sometimes cause disbands for memeing too hard.

Idk people complain to get Kaiten back, Yet Dev never adressed this issues, despite the fact they ''probe forum for feedback.''

Healer complain cause their roles just ain't designed in a way that fit with the rest of the game. People also complain that they got stripped of their class personality.

[strawberrycake]

SAM is fine. Healers ... sometimes cause disbands for memeing too hard.



DD are there for the xp and glams. They award current tomes. What updates do you feel they need?

I would add in up to date cosmetics, as well as unique cosmetics to DDs that would encourage players to do it more, the potsherds would serve an even bigger purpose and doing the more challenging content would reward more. Hell add in more mounts, titles, make use of our achievement system more. It can easily go a long way for both PoTD and HoH to have themed sets unique to their aesthetics. and it would be great for players lvling and players there for glam.

[Absurdity]

We get so little because people can barely handle even that much without losing their minds. Surely you saw the threads about what Island Sanctuary was "going to be" and how disappointed people were when they were certain it would be like that. Now imagine they gave us a more detailed plan and explanation for one of the upcoming changes... That patch day comes and things aren't as they were originally told. All hell breaks loose because "you promised us".

That's just as likely to be because it takes them way too long to actually give people concrete answers. Was it on purpose? Maybe. People hyping up Island Sanctuary probably boosted Endwalker's sales.

But if they would've just come out from the start and told people "No, you will not be able to customize your island with housing items. No, it is not instanced housing. You have presets for how it looks and the gameplay is mostly passive resource generation" suddenly expectations would've been tempered and maybe all these people incredibly pissed about Island Sanctuary "breaking promises" wouldn't even exist...but it also would've made Island Sanctuary generate a lot less hype and we obviously can't have that.