Feeling really down about no mog gifts for Christmas

[Johners]

I really dislike how we seem to be stuck on this cycle of people crying over mogstore limitations, then being told off because it was a necessary evil to prevent credit cards companies and banks from blacklisting SE from service. It's been said so many times. Please, let it sink in already.

Nobody is blasting Square Enix for having a poorly implemented store. They really need to get with the times and just integrate it into the game, that way they'd be able to track what people actually own and then actually provide us with gifting. Likewise everything should be an account wide unlock, it's a scam that some mounts etc are character specific (only boosts/skips should be specific but that's obvious).

[Deveryn]

Nobody is blasting Square Enix for having a poorly implemented store. They really need to get with the times and just integrate it into the game, that way they'd be able to track what people actually own and then actually provide us with gifting. Likewise everything should be an account wide unlock, it's a scam that some mounts etc are character specific (only boosts/skips should be specific but that's obvious).

The idea that integrating the store into the game somehow makes it better and fixes the problem is foolish. There will always be a need for a more secure site to handle transactions. EQ 1 and 2 have an in-game store with alt currency and you still have to go outside the game to add funds to your account. There is ZERO gifting on this service.

[LianaThorne]

Free gifted mounts > people being robbed and having their credit cards used to fund RMT

Sound logic.

[Johners]

The idea that integrating the store into the game somehow makes it better and fixes the problem is foolish. There will always be a need for a more secure site to handle transactions. EQ 1 and 2 have an in-game store with alt currency and you still have to go outside the game to add funds to your account. There is ZERO gifting on this service.

I've played plenty of online games with perfectly integrated stores that don't require going to an external site... and that includes consoles. That does mean using the platform (so PlayStation or Steam for those versions in XIV's case) as the payment provider but at least you can seemlessly buy stuff. World of Warcraft has this on PC, I can buy MTX directly within the game from either the character screen (in the case of server transfers or faction changes) and when logged into a character for mounts etc. I'm pretty sure you can even buy buy expansions and subscription from the game client itself (not to mention the launcher has this functionality also). As for other games, titles like FIFA, Destiny 2, GTA Online allow you to buy the additional cash store stuff in-game (FIFA is just buying FIFA points from the platform store and then spending in-game).


If you hold XIV to the same standard as other actively developed online games, there's many areas where Square Enix falls short but still wants expansion costs + subscription + cash store money. You think the Riot Games MMO is going to have this problem? You think Sony will have these problems with their upcoming slew of online titles such as the story driven Last of Us multiplayer that's coming? Of course not, they can actually build a platform for online games which includes buying and gifting micro-transactions. If Blizzard can suitably modernise a 2004 MMO, Square Enix should be doing it for their 2010 game. The piss poor cash store (and Mogstation in general) really shouldn't be an excuse.

[Conadrium]

Amazing. Now imagine applying this same generosity and effort to RL communities for families and individuals who can't even afford an internet connection.

While I acknowledge that you are coming from a good place, this is a terrible take. Charity should be about bringing happiness beyond the means of survival to people that should be incumbent upon the government and our taxes, to ensure the bare minimum of services, which I would argue the interconnectivity of the Internet has become.

I don’t know what country you’re in but if you are in America, the tipping industry is a prime example. Food should be priced appropriately that people serving it can make enough to get by without relying on the charity of random people tipping what you are referring to is a system flaw, not a charitable goal.

[Deveryn]

I've played plenty of online games with perfectly integrated stores that don't require going to an external site... and that includes consoles. That does mean using the platform (so PlayStation or Steam for those versions in XIV's case) as the payment provider but at least you can seemlessly buy stuff. World of Warcraft has this on PC, I can buy MTX directly within the game from either the character screen (in the case of server transfers or faction changes) and when logged into a character for mounts etc. I'm pretty sure you can even buy buy expansions and subscription from the game client itself (not to mention the launcher has this functionality also). As for other games, titles like FIFA, Destiny 2, GTA Online allow you to buy the additional cash store stuff in-game (FIFA is just buying FIFA points from the platform store and then spending in-game).


If you hold XIV to the same standard as other actively developed online games, there's many areas where Square Enix falls short but still wants expansion costs + subscription + cash store money. You think the Riot Games MMO is going to have this problem? You think Sony will have these problems with their upcoming slew of online titles such as the story driven Last of Us multiplayer that's coming? Of course not, they can actually build a platform for online games which includes buying and gifting micro-transactions. If Blizzard can suitably modernise a 2004 MMO, Square Enix should be doing it for their 2010 game. The piss poor cash store (and Mogstation in general) really shouldn't be an excuse.

I think you're making too big a deal of the store while also being ignorant of what's actually involved in building and managing all that.

PSN and Steam are basically the same idea of the external site. Neither is a developer. They are both essentially sales platforms and I would think a little extra work would be required by whatever developer to build and maintain that store that would exist in game. I believe it's better to keep things separate. I also believe SE didn't want the shop to be the focus and be overly aggressive with that. When you run a trial of other games, you'll likely get ads boasting the benefits of subscribing, where XIV just has their restrictions.

If at the end of the day, they're still making some serious money without having an integrated store, it begs the question of why they should do that. Given that there isn't one, I have to think that there hasn't even been a whole lot of noise made about getting that in game. All we've gotten is glamour preview which makes a lot more sense. Maybe they just want to preserve that experience of loading up a game to play a game and not get into all that shop nonsense. I'm sure I'm not alone in enjoying that pure experience.

You see a piss poor shop. I see a less predatory gaming experience.

[caffe_macchiato]

World of Warcraft: Dragonflight allows gifting for mounts and minions ("pets"). As weird as it sounds, you can gift your FFXIV friends a mount in WoW instead, since many people play both games:
https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/fam...arcraft#mounts

[Atelier-Bagur]

Im still considering a win for us players if SE has such a poor implementation of its own cash shop. Arent these things supposed to be evil or something in the general online community about how games nickel and dime you with the team focusing on cash shops?

Personally I'm glad their actions has discouraged players from buying things from the online store. The less we have it, the better.

[Liam_Harper]

Gifts are a nice part of Christmas. Sure you can do that any time of the year, but still no reason not to take the opportunity and enjoy it. That said, we banned mog station items from Secret Santa's in our FC because it can easily lead to a situation where newer players feel compelled to shell out cash because they don't have much gil and don't want to be the only one gifting a low value item. Gifts shouldn't be about how much you spend. As for gifting friends, the mog station limit doesn't bother me that much, if SE don't want my money this year there are a million other options there.

I really dislike how we seem to be stuck on this cycle of people crying over mogstore limitations, then being told off because it was a necessary evil to prevent credit cards companies and banks from blacklisting SE from service.

To be fair, it's more SE cutting corners. Other MMO's manage gifting just fine. SE only blocked it because chargebacks were costing them money and they also didn't want to bother investing into the means to prevent it happening. It's not a necessary evil, it's simply that they chose not to bother with a service anymore because it was difficult.

RMT itself will likely increase as players turn to the market board for gifts and need gil to purchase the rarer mounts and minions.

[Meowdyj]

You know you can still do this right? Not directly but with gift cards. Might even work better as people can choose what they want from the store themselves.