Feeling really down about no mog gifts for Christmas

[Rockette]

We have traditionally run a Secret Santa Christmas event every year. It was my absolute favourite community event. Everyone gets dressed up, we dress the house up and give sit around Santa to give our gifts.

By far the most popular gifts were mounts and minions. I cannot think of one incident in all the years we've been doing this that someone bought something for someone that already had it. You simply check your recipients lodestone or those collectors sites to see what people already have before you buy.

The reason Mog gifts were so popular is because we have a large community of casual players who just have not got enough gil to buy what they'd like. Working professionals who'd rather spend money.

We also had our community split in half with players leaving for OCE while the rest of us stayed on NA for various raid committments. Mogstation gifts would have let us still run our event cross region (if people chose to use Mog, I would have organised an "either or" for cross region.)

Now it's like, we've split up, we can't give gifts other than fantasia or dye... do we bother? It just feels like the FU icing on top of the crap cake that is being an OCE player this year.

Just a rant. I know SE will change nothing.

[PirateRyanG]

Of course they won't change anything.

Their bottom line and ability to continue to accept credit/debit cards is much more important than your faux greeting card holiday.

[SeiyaSoiya]

Of course they won't change anything.

Their bottom line and ability to continue to accept credit/debit cards is much more important than your faux greeting card holiday.

that makes me wonder, who is REALLY being effed over by RMT and bots?
I see people complain about bots ingame all the time but it never amounts to nothing more than them being mildly annoyed for the 3 min they stay inside a major city
yet there's tons and tons and tons of effort made to quell RMT and botting, including restricting players from gifting items.

[Deveryn]

that makes me wonder, who is REALLY being effed over by RMT and bots?
I see people complain about bots ingame all the time but it never amounts to nothing more than them being mildly annoyed for the 3 min they stay inside a major city
yet there's tons and tons and tons of effort made to quell RMT and botting, including restricting players from gifting items.

Quite a few people get effed over because they get scammed. Accounts and credit cards get compromised and this summer was particularly bad. Credit bureaus put the pressure on SE to do something about it because there were so many chargebacks.

[Rockette]

Quite a few people get effed over because they get scammed. Accounts and credit cards get compromised and this summer was particularly bad. Credit bureaus put the pressure on SE to do something about it because there were so many chargebacks.

I thought their solution was friend to friend only + they can see who is buying and receiving, yet they limit the items anyway.

[Renalt]

Christmas isn't about gifts. It's about hanging out with friends, family, and loved ones. Actually Christmas isn't even in the equation...it should always be about the people...365 days of the year.

[Raven2014]

Christmas isn't about gifts. It's about hanging out with friends, family, and loved ones. Actually Christmas isn't even in the equation...it should always be about the people...365 days of the year.

And your point being?

As a single child Asian, I can speak with confident I'm taking care of my parents 365 a day better than most Westerner I know do on their parents birthday. But I always look forward to occasions to kick up a not to celebrate and make it even extra special for them, like birthdays, anniversary, holiday.

Have you ever attend an marriage anniversary? like 20years, 40 years, or heck even 60 years? I'm 101% those couples know and practice "caring for others" far more than you ever preach in your life ... doesn't stop them from celebrating on the occasions doesn't it?

No disrespect, and while I agree with you in spirit, I can't help but think people whenever making their grand statement are hollow and empty. Now if you say it to people who never give a damn about each other except for that one day per year, then I understand. But in general human for the most part are social creatures, and they also say "change is the spice of life". If people want to celebrate with each others, that's always a good thing, and for a celebration to be special, it's usually mean doing something that you don't do everyday.

[Renalt]

And your point being?

Point being what I said.

[SassyAssassin]

And your point being?

As a single child Asian, I can speak with confident I'm taking care of my parents 365 a day better than most Westerner I know do on their parents birthday. But I always look forward to occasions to kick up a not to celebrate and make it even extra special for them, like birthdays, anniversary, holiday.

Have you ever attend an marriage anniversary? like 20years, 40 years, or heck even 60 years? I'm 101% those couples know and practice "caring for others" far more than you ever preach in your life ... doesn't stop them from celebrating on the occasions doesn't it?

No disrespect, and while I agree with you in spirit, I can't help but think people whenever making their grand statement are hollow and empty. Now if you say it to people who never give a damn about each other except for that one day per year, then I understand. But in general human for the most part are social creatures, and they also say "change is the spice of life". If people want to celebrate with each others, that's always a good thing, and for a celebration to be special, it's usually mean doing something that you don't do everyday.

I admire your confidence however just because you’re asian, doesn’t automatically mean you are better at taking care of your parents, shocking I know.
I wont deny the cultural difference in the west where people aren’t indoctrinated since young that gifts and money equals love and care. So I can agree with you on that.

Making kids to have them take care of you when you’re old is not something noble to boast about, putting the worth of people on par with what they can provide for you is selfish and rather weak. Loving your family and friends for who they are will always be greater than loving someone because they can offer you what you can’t offer yourself.

When people in the west say it should be about the people, it means exactly what it means, that many are happy with the company of others without worldly things which ironically a very big asian religion tries putting into practice.

While I agree that doing something “on the day” is supposed to be special, you see when you focus on the people you love everyday, those days happen at random and probably even more often and it matters not when someone up top decided it was something you are supposed to do otherwise you dont “care”.
It’s not a plan of “Ill love you so much on that day by buying you stuff”, because with a good job buying stuff is easy, being there, genuinely, for people on a daily basis proves more difficult.

So what you regard as hallow and empty, has far more meaning than any money you can spend.

Plus, as far as Im aware you don’t know him personally in real life, so saying he doesn’t practice what he preaces is a statement you must have pulled out of your ass.

And before you say something banal because I too must be a westerner, Im far from it.

[Raven2014]

I admire your confidence however just because you’re asian, doesn’t automatically mean you are better at taking care of your parents, shocking I know.

You missed the part where I specifically said " most Westerners that I know".

Making kids to have them take care of you when you’re old is not something noble to boast about,

If that's the case my parent should have made more than one kid, you know ... for insurance. Just because this is a narrative stereotyped by China's one child policy doesn't mean that's the reason. The reason I take "good" care of my parents because I acknowledge all the scarify they made raising me. I would not "offload" them even if I have the opportunity to do so. And since our family is in the US, I have plenty of opportunities to do so.

I don't see them as obligation or duty, but privellege. My mother passed a few years back, and that's one of the biggest regret I had was she didn't live long enough so I can repay her in full.

Plus, as far as Im aware you don’t know him personally in real life, so saying he doesn’t practice what he preaces is a statement you must have pulled out of your ass.

I'm 100% I didn't pull that out of my arse. You know why? Because I didn't say that at all!

I said I'm confident people who had married for life and celebrate it know far more about the subjects at hand than he or anyone here do. Are you saying I'm wrong? And that fact still does not obsolete their cause for celebration. And I believe that's an objective fact unless you want to argue otherwise.

Point being what I said.

And I asked because I need elaborate. Because I don't see the point. I noticed some people these day often say this one others talking about celebration, that I can't help but see as a cynical view.

In fact, in my own experience, when you truly care about someone you would want to find every opportunities, or excuses even, to celebrate together. The people who say "well I don't need these random celebration because I already do 100% everyday", are usually the people who think they already do enough so they don't need to do more. But like I said, when you truly care about someone else, you always want to do more.

Maybe that's just me. But as a kid, I remember don't give a damn about my parents birthdays and just my own, hell I didn't even remember when they were. It's only when I realize how much they had done as a adults. That's why even giving them 100% 365 a day still doesn't feel enough, and always look forward to opportunities to do more.

Maybe my original response is a bit it's uncalled for: but you can use it as a reflection of how people gonna feel when they were simply talking about the want to celebrate, and you just waltz in delivery a grand statement about life. So at least, you can treat this exchange as a taste of your own medicine.