So, can we make noise about Miqote ears and hats?

[Iscah]

Can we please not make this round 723 of Viera hats?

Other than that they should have just put Viera ears where Miqo'te ears are positioned in the first place, and then they could have given proper attention to one set of hats to suit both.

Miqo'te hats are a separate issue with a different history. They have worked in the past.

[MikkoAkure]

Nearly a decade ago threads like this popped up when newer gear began to ignore Miqo'te tails and the 1.0 tail holes (and amazing darklight set complete with tail armor that has only appeared again once or twice since) gave way to clipping through cloaks and male Miqo'te's default stance completely missing the holes that existed. SE didn't do anything then except for rare cases like the dragoon set in Shadowbringers, which also came at the same time as Miqo'te hat uniformity, so they won't do anything now.

At this point SE seems to be happy to be in a state of "clipping is a part of the game, unless you play a Viera or Hrothgar because their heads are weird and were purposefully made to not wear hats and so have horns or hair styles that will not work".


It's just wild speculation fueled by frustration on my part, but I don't think having the new races has done any favors for the old ones and in order to increase productivity and complete the expanded roster of armor sets/resizes, shortcuts were made and that's what leads us to Miqo'te hats missing ears in the present day. A particularly nice piece that pays direct attention to specific racial anatomy may still happen once in a blue moon when available time meets passion, but I don't see that happening as much. SE could hire more modelers, but that brings a cost and SE has already had years of existing clipping so there's no point in paying people to fix something that is mostly ignored by the larger playerbase.

This type of lazy shortcut process has made its way into the fabric of the game itself and probably isn't going anywhere. Au Ra concept art consisted of completely unique looking races that had horns on the tops of their heads (where one would expect) plus elf/faun ears or completely monstrous faces. But since that's hard and it's difficult to make them have their own thing, they got turned into Miqo'te/Elezen with a skin condition and ears that are somehow also horns along with a really weird sexual dimorphism that's all just handwaved in order to make a race that has tall, edgy, gruff men and short, idol-like women in order to appeal to the greatest demographic possible to justify the development costs, while also keeping costs down by homogenizing the designs.


If it really gets to you like it did to me after years of playing Miqo'te and then an Au Ra, you could just play a Midlander Hyur. Everything is specifically modeled to my body before being adapted to other races so I look good in everything and nothing clips except for hair styles (of which I have more than any other race in the game).

[Iscah]

It's just wild speculation fueled by frustration on my part, but I don't think having the new races has done any favors for the old ones and in order to increase productivity and complete the expanded roster of armor sets/resizes, shortcuts were made and that's what leads us to Miqo'te hats missing ears in the present day.

I agree that's the likely reason why we don't get hats altered for Miqo'te ears – adding neatly edged earholes and such – but that still isn't a good reason why they've gone for "no ears at all" over "visible ears just apparently sticking through rough holes in the hat".

It makes sense for complicated hats if the ears will clip in funny ways, but for simpler close-fitting things like the baseball cap and the straw hat from the summer set a couple of years ago, it just feels like a massive oversight when similar hats already exist and let the ears show through.

It feels like a lack of imagination or something. Have the current modellers not been told it's an option? Have they decided on a blanket rule that if they can't do it for every hat then they won't do it on any hats even if it could work?

[RobynDaBank]

I agree that's the likely reason why we don't get hats altered for Miqo'te ears – adding neatly edged earholes and such – but that still isn't a good reason why they've gone for "no ears at all" over "visible ears just apparently sticking through rough holes in the hat".

It makes sense for complicated hats if the ears will clip in funny ways, but for simpler close-fitting things like the baseball cap and the straw hat from the summer set a couple of years ago, it just feels like a massive oversight when similar hats already exist and let the ears show through.

It feels like a lack of imagination or something. Have the current modellers not been told it's an option? Have they decided on a blanket rule that if they can't do it for every hat then they won't do it on any hats even if it could work?

It's probably just basing designs on Hyur, more than ever before.

[Jettinson]

Would be nice seeing neatly done ears pounches but even Elezens/Lalafells suffer a bit with those, making the ears max lenght for some reason??

It feels it is inconsistent at best, with multiple problems like tail hole etc.

[NekoMataMata]

Thats the keyword here, "neglect". SE is clearly capable of making it better they just chose to prioritize on other things in their game.

Which still doesnt fully excuse them of course but its kinda also not that special with modders whom arent bound by both ToS or working under SE to freely make changes they want.

The issue here is that if it's neglect, then it's still lacking. It's not like SE couldn't expand or pour more resources in this 14. The majority of the profits from 14 are placed into other projects, rather than returned to 14 itself. This game deserves better.

[Soge01]

Viera and Hrothgar: "You guys have hat options!?" :O

[Atelier-Bagur]

The issue here is that if it's neglect, then it's still lacking. It's not like SE couldn't expand or pour more resources in this 14. The majority of the profits from 14 are placed into other projects, rather than returned to 14 itself. This game deserves better.

What part of "still doesnt fully excuse them" did you not understand?

[Aporis]

To all Hrothgars and Vieras, Apo hears and feels you but this is a thread about Miqo'te hats. There's plenty of threads about the issue in question and we're all on the same boat, so pls use this thread to help support our cause, instead of bringing up what is already brought up in so many other threads :c We all want our racial elements back (and our hats!)

[NekoMataMata]

What part of "still doesnt fully excuse them" did you not understand?

The part where I understood that you were partially excusing them to some degree.