Quote Originally Posted by Peptaru View Post
The HNM drops like ridill and black belt were coveted by people who didn't even need them. I used to camp that stuff, too. How many people, though, who would make an effort to show up with their shell, did make an honest effort to try to claim, had at least enough skill to kill the mob (even if it didn't look good to spectators), would have danced for joy to finally get an item that they've been chasing for years.... and never got a single shot at killing something. A system where everyone who makes the effort ends up getting rewarded would be acceptable to most, I'd guess. No, I can't speak for everyone, but I would think that'd be acceptable no?

There were LS's that showed up to HNMs daily and rarely, if ever, got claim over other groups. Was Group A making less of an effort than Group B? Nope! One just botted, or claimed faster due to delay or so on. Group A loses claim to Group B 150 times in one year, Group B has tons of items from this particular NM now and still camps it cuz not ALL of their members have what they want, though most have at least some stuff. Group A who is also there every day, has nothing... Is all their effort meaningless?

Yes, competition is fine, but imbalances like this can't exist without animosity, even so far as hatred, for the Group B groups that Group A is going to run into. "They should learn to claim better" as I'm sure someone will be thinking is just an assanine statement imho, because its alot of the same people who say "we get stuff cuz we make the effort".... they made the effort too and got nothing. I just don't want to see the community spiraling down in such glaring ways when it can be avoided.

TL;DR? TTB go read it!
You're greatly exaggerating the flaws of the system. And so what if you never got something, I never got a relic weapon doesn't mean I wish they hadn't existed. It was always something to strive for though.

I mean so what if you never get one of those top items, but if you do get one then you can't put a price on the pride in having it. If everybody else has one to there's no point in having it. Who would drive a Lamborghini if everybody else had one? Would having one feel the same? No

Luck based / Competition based systems were good for XI. If you didn't like them you still had other things to do...

So what if it brings a little drama, FFXIV's only drama is about how much a let down it's been. I'd rather fight with other groups over hnms and gear than to not have anything worth fighting about. May complain about how it brings out of the worst of people's nature, at least it brought people out...