Quote Originally Posted by Peptaru View Post
The HNM drops like ridill and black belt were coveted by people who didn't even need them. I used to camp that stuff, too. How many people, though, who would make an effort to show up with their shell, did make an honest effort to try to claim, had at least enough skill to kill the mob (even if it didn't look good to spectators), would have danced for joy to finally get an item that they've been chasing for years.... and never got a single shot at killing something. A system where everyone who makes the effort ends up getting rewarded would be acceptable to most, I'd guess. No, I can't speak for everyone, but I would think that'd be acceptable no?

There were LS's that showed up to HNMs daily and rarely, if ever, got claim over other groups. Was Group A making less of an effort than Group B? Nope! One just botted, or claimed faster due to delay or so on. Group A loses claim to Group B 150 times in one year, Group B has tons of items from this particular NM now and still camps it cuz not ALL of their members have what they want, though most have at least some stuff. Group A who is also there every day, has nothing... Is all their effort meaningless?

Yes, competition is fine, but imbalances like this can't exist without animosity, even so far as hatred, for the Group B groups that Group A is going to run into. "They should learn to claim better" as I'm sure someone will be thinking is just an assanine statement imho, because its alot of the same people who say "we get stuff cuz we make the effort".... they made the effort too and got nothing. I just don't want to see the community spiraling down in such glaring ways when it can be avoided.

TL;DR? TTB go read it!
My linkshell rewarded members based upon their participation in all events. The more you assisted the linkshell, the more points you got, the more gear you obtained.

The more you put in, the more you get. That's life.

With competition comes animosity, you are correct. If you want a video game without feuds, I don't know what to tell you. We could possibly work on an MMO called HappyVille....

There are going to be elitist jerks even if FFXIV only has instanced content. I think, at the very least just off the interest in this thread alone, that HNM's would be a good addition to the game.

And we know the following:

No one wants to camp (Lets make a single window, and several pops per day so that one time zone can;t monopolize)

Enhance the Spawn Zone (Make botting worthless)

Great Drops (To match instanced drops/crafted items)

But I'd like to go further than just our free roaming HNM's that we want so badly. Lets even the playing grounds. How about some force pop HNM/NM's?

How about some Shikigami weapon type NM's? (unique spawn)

As much as I/many others want HNM's lets discuss further ways to make HNM's fall under more than one category.