Highly Notorious Monsters

[fusional]

So the hardcore players will leave for a fully instanced game or WoW which is turning into Pokemon meets Farmville? Ok.

so it's strange how WoW is turning into pokemon meets farmville yet still has far more challenging content than anything in this game, right?

i'd say you wouldn't know anything about that (as the equivalent of doing 13 dps on ifrit would never get you a raid slot in any guild doing hard mode progression) but you'd probably just make up a bunch of stories about how you were in the best guild in WoW on server X and then someone from that server can just see your comment, laugh and call you out again.

[Sephrick]

yet it's strange how WoW is turning into pokemon meets farmville yet still has far more challenging content than anything in this game, right?

i'd say you wouldn't know anything about that (as the equivalent of doing 13 dps on ifrit would never get you a raid slot in guild doing hard mode progression) but you'd probably just make up a bunch of stories about how you were in the best guild in WoW on server X and then someone from that server can just see your comment, laugh and call you out again.

Nah, I never bothered with WoW.

But if you want to rehash how leet you think you were in 1.19 because you used the animation cancel glitch to up your DPS we can.

As for my time in end game linkshells on Ramuh and, briefly, Asura, all I can say is I fought against all the HNMs and experienced content like the entire CoP line pre nerf. Whether or not we remember each other is irrelevant.

[TheFatHousecat]

animation cancel glitch

[Clydey]

Nah, I never bothered with WoW.

But if you want to rehash how leet you think you were in 1.19 because you used the animation cancel glitch to up your DPS we can.

As for my time in end game linkshells on Ramuh and, briefly, Asura, all I can say is I fought against all the HNMs and experienced content like the entire CoP line pre nerf. Whether or not we remember each other is irrelevant.

I have no interest in participating in a dps dick-measuring contest, but I can assure you no one in BG exploited any such glitch.

[fusional]

But if you want to rehash how leet you think you were in 1.19 because you used the animation cancel glitch to up your DPS we can.

so, let me get this straight. you honestly believe that as of patch 1.19, 30+ dps was impossible on ifrit without using some kind of exploit. and i wasn't even topping 30 dps at the time.

this is... incredible. i feel deeply sorry for you.

[ThePatriarch]

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Guys, lets please try to keep this on topic of Highly (Hyper) Notorious Monsters. If there is any anger/flaming that needs to go on please keep it in messages or some other form of communication. I would like to keep this thread clean, and open for more ideas/suggestion on how HNM's could be placed into FFXIV. We have had great feedback thus far, minus a few derails. Lets keep it up

[Wynn]

that's fine. and all the hardcores will leave the game for tera or gw2 or back to WoW or whatever and the game will die. again.

I think it is funny that you believe a very small percentage of players (self described "hardcore" players) leaving a game in response to a design focus that will drawn in a vastly larger crowd (the rest of the gaming world) would make it die.

Developing the majority of game content to the liking of the smallest percentage of players doesn't make a lick of sense today. It worked in old games because back then all MMO players were heavily invested in their games. If you played UO, if you played EQ, if you played DAoC or FFXI: you lived, ate, and breathed that game. There simply was no distinction between hardcore and casual because casual didn't exist in MMOs during these games' heyday.

Today, MMOs are no longer a niche market and they have to develop game content that has mass appeal if they hope to survive on anything more than crumbs.

Do I believe there should be content for all types? Absolutely. However, to even suggest that most content should be developed for such a small demographic of potential players at the expense of the larger group is crazy and would be bad for business.

Times have changed and at some point you have to either adapt or fade into obscurity. Hardcore gamers are an endangered species.

[Ryuko]

For a 'highly notorious monster' to spawn, there needs to be fire weather in valkurm. And, if you don't kill it by the time the fire weather leaves, it despawns... even if it's engaged. Good luck.

But seriously, I would like 'special pop conditions' and NM's with incredibly difficult requirements... perhaps HNM's that require MORE than just eight people... HNM's that require the assistance of multiple linkshells to kill... and the reward is not a highly sought after piece of gear, but instead an aesthetic one. Maybe a mount. Just so people won't cry foul if the 'best' gear drops off of these HNM's.

So, people with the desire to camp these HNM's will get the 'satisfaction' they desire by having something to show for it (a title, aesthetic gear, an achievement, etc), but other players won't suffer because these HNM's exist. I've seen screenshots of when multiple linkshells went and killed a guardian of the forest 'just because', and I thought it was hilarious because they actually pulled it off. We need more severely improbable things.

[Strange]

The open world NM's would be nice. I never really cared if a repop time was 3 days, the game should include all types of content, whether it be casual or hardcore. Eventually Eorzea will be immense and we will be engulfed with many things like expansion packs and pet type jobs. Yes the game is broken and the bugs are getting fixed. So even though we do not have any NM's to over camp/ wait for a 18hr. repop timer it will happen... well at least something similar. For the people who do not want ffxi rehashed what do you want them to do instead?

[Sephrick]

The open world NM's would be nice. I never really cared if a repop time was 3 days, the game should include all types of content, whether it be casual or hardcore. Eventually Eorzea will be immense and we will be engulfed with many things like expansion packs and pet type jobs. Yes the game is broken and the bugs are getting fixed. So even though we do not have any NM's to over camp/ wait for a 18hr. repop timer it will happen... well at least something similar. For the people who do not want ffxi rehashed what do you want them to do instead?

Exactly the content SE said they're making for XIV. Challenging instances. We want to cooperate with our fellow players to take on everything SE can throw at us, without the annoyance of have to "claim" it first.