S-Rank mobs needs a invulnerability buff on S-RANKs

[Midareyukki]

Let's ban Faloop while we're at it with the "early release" that's only known to the privileged few to ensure they have time to arrive while the rest of the Faloop community has to take its chances once the "public release" is announced and the "early release" players start to relay. After all, that's yet another third party app.

The community can be absolutely idiotic at times with "it's okay to use the third party tool I'm using but not the one that others use".

Ironic, given that's literally the one thing keeping hunt trains organized by the community whatsoever xD

Like, sure, let's complain that people should organize while also deriding the only thing keeping them organized. Instead of, you know, admitting the system is incredibly flawed and cannot keep up with current demands and should have a bit of a thinking-through given how absolutely impossible it is to organize a community this large?

Faloop was the initiative. Many things were the community-driven "initiative"; Linkshells, Cross-World Linkshells. But every last one of them was flawed due to how the game is designed, as shown by the already flimsy order that existed to begin with.

Being blacklisted doesn't stop anyone from participating or early pulling or getting credit. All the blacklist does is ensure that player will never change their mind and come around to seeing things from the community point of view.

Yeah I really never got what blacklisting prevented exactly. I guess it discouraged people from early pulling because then they'd be banned from most controlled Linkshells and would be refused from parties. If they pulled, they'd also die and people were instructed not to raise them. Otherwise it didn't stop them from following hunt trains, and someone would always raise anyway.

I have zero expectations from the players and SE on this matter.

I still think it's worth mentioning that something can be done by the community. Whatever SE might be able to do might not happen for a while and who's to say you'll even like it. What do you do in the meantime? We just had this whole situation in frontline with paladin cheese. You had people that would cry about it and matches and do nothing and lose. Then you had people that would come together as a team and go hard on anyone that dared get a paladin close to an ovoo. We got some wins that way.

Then why are you still around if you have no expectations? Just to come in and tell people that? Are you any different, you're not even proposing anything other than "stop whining". That's not an argument. You're not doing any better whatsoever.

As for the PLD thing, that would happen when there was coordination. On a group of 24 people. Not entire linkshells + every random that happened to catch the shout + a bunch of people from other Worlds as much as the instance could fit. People keeping 1 Paladin away from the Ovoo using crowd control and intimidation tactics is one thing. Your skillset allows you to prevent the Paladin from going in. Nothing about your kit prevents a boss from being early pulled or interact with the player who's that antsy to do so. By the time you get everyone to listen to "It was an early pull stop DPSing", the boss is halfway dead.

[Deveryn]

Ironic, given that's literally the one thing keeping hunt trains organized by the community whatsoever xD

Like, sure, let's complain that people should organize while also deriding the only thing keeping them organized. Instead of, you know, admitting the system is incredibly flawed and cannot keep up with current demands and should have a bit of a thinking-through given how absolutely impossible it is to organize a community this large?

Faloop was the initiative. Many things were the community-driven "initiative"; Linkshells, Cross-World Linkshells. But every last one of them was flawed due to how the game is designed, as shown by the already flimsy order that existed to begin with.



Yeah I really never got what blacklisting prevented exactly. I guess it discouraged people from early pulling because then they'd be banned from most controlled Linkshells and would be refused from parties. If they pulled, they'd also die and people were instructed not to raise them. Otherwise it didn't stop them from following hunt trains, and someone would always raise anyway.



Then why are you still around if you have no expectations? Just to come in and tell people that? Are you any different, you're not even proposing anything other than "stop whining". That's not an argument. You're not doing any better whatsoever.

As for the PLD thing, that would happen when there was coordination. On a group of 24 people. Not entire linkshells + every random that happened to catch the shout + a bunch of people from other Worlds as much as the instance could fit. People keeping 1 Paladin away from the Ovoo using crowd control and intimidation tactics is one thing. Your skillset allows you to prevent the Paladin from going in. Nothing about your kit prevents a boss from being early pulled or interact with the player who's that antsy to do so. By the time you get everyone to listen to "It was an early pull stop DPSing", the boss is halfway dead.

Why am I still around? Should I not make any kind of effort to encourage some thought? If you don't scatter some seeds, nothing will ever grow.

I'm proposing people think more and try to do less lean on SE and wait.

As for the S ranks, a good start to this might be not huddling up so close to the target. They're just asking for someone to fly in and miss the mark. Maybe say "wait for soandso to call the attack". There's room for plenty to happen right there on the scene, but people wanna fill the space with dumb jokes and shit... kinda like these threads.

[Heroman3003]

SE's stance on this is clear. Open world content is true free for all, and nobody is entitled to anything when it comes to open world content. Hunt is open world content. Would it be better if people waited more? Sure. Is it going to happen? No.

I think its fine to have at least some truly open free for all content, especially when its something as secondary as the hunt.

[Hanayumi]

Think its fine for the most part, if anything they can prolly add more daily/weekly hunts, heck why not toss a full party bounty that counts for s rank.

[UkcsAlias]

People simply need to come to an agreement on certain things

That will never happen. You must enforce rules on players for that, or some will always say 'the game does allow it, so i will', even if everyone around it doesnt agree with him.

Forcing a 5min immunity after spawning could on that help as that is generaly enough to travel to its location from a diffirent server, as that way there is no quick pulling possible anymore. But sadly, it means that once the timer is up, it will always be pulled. Which means that if it was discovered late, that it will always be pulled too early. Yet 10mins can be excessive. The only middleground i can imagine here is that its always 5mins upon discovery (a player was within range where B ranks are normaly detected).

[Midareyukki]

That will never happen. You must enforce rules on players for that, or some will always say 'the game does allow it, so i will', even if everyone around it doesnt agree with him.

Forcing a 5min immunity after spawning could on that help as that is generaly enough to travel to its location from a diffirent server, as that way there is no quick pulling possible anymore. But sadly, it means that once the timer is up, it will always be pulled. Which means that if it was discovered late, that it will always be pulled too early. Yet 10mins can be excessive. The only middleground i can imagine here is that its always 5mins upon discovery (a player was within range where B ranks are normaly detected).

The issue isn't just discovery, but also relaying information. Often, what you see is that pulls are underway while people are still passing it around hunting linkshells. Either because people were slow to convey information or because people early pulled. Sometimes both.

[KageTokage]

Let's ban Faloop while we're at it with the "early release" that's only known to the privileged few to ensure they have time to arrive while the rest of the Faloop community has to take its chances once the "public release" is announced and the "early release" players start to relay. After all, that's yet another third party app.

The community can be absolutely idiotic at times with "it's okay to use the third party tool I'm using but not the one that others use".

Or the community can learn to work together. That's what we're trying to do on Dynamis. We're trying to make sure all the community is in the loop whether they use Centurio or Faloop or neither for that matter. But it's still not going to be possible to make certain that everyone who wants to attend a S rank is going to make it. Players need to learn that sometimes they're just going to miss out and that's part of the game.

The early release privileges on Faloop are given to the people who actually spawn S ranks which...doesn't feel terribly unreasonable to me.

I feel like there's a distinction to be made between an extremely comprehensive hunt tracker/relay vs. a proper third party add-on that is reading data from the game to immediately isolate a S rank's position and automatically relay it to every add-on/discord/whatever it's connected to.

[Deveryn]

That will never happen. You must enforce rules on players for that, or some will always say 'the game does allow it, so i will', even if everyone around it doesnt agree with him.

Forcing a 5min immunity after spawning could on that help as that is generaly enough to travel to its location from a diffirent server, as that way there is no quick pulling possible anymore. But sadly, it means that once the timer is up, it will always be pulled. Which means that if it was discovered late, that it will always be pulled too early. Yet 10mins can be excessive. The only middleground i can imagine here is that its always 5mins upon discovery (a player was within range where B ranks are normaly detected).

Before DC travel, I might've been okay with an immunity timer, but something like that is just asking for more people to come over and cause congestion issues. When I would keep track of these, I would see a pop on another server, look at the time and think it's probably not worth the travel time. I think that's a good limiter for folks.

[Conadrium]

I still think it's worth mentioning that something can be done by the community. Whatever SE might be able to do might not happen for a while and who's to say you'll even like it. What do you do in the meantime? We just had this whole situation in frontline with paladin cheese. You had people that would cry about it and matches and do nothing and lose. Then you had people that would come together as a team and go hard on anyone that dared get a paladin close to an ovoo. We got some wins that way.

I’d rather a solution that can actually work. Which only SE can provide. Heck on my server cluster there are multiple people known and black listed from parties. Specifically a warrior who shall remain in named who tomahawks the instant they arrive. It has changed nothing, they aren’t doing it for the rewards they’re doing it to deprive others of them. The communicate cannot effect this change, only SE can.

[Deveryn]

I’d rather a solution that can actually work. Which only SE can provide. Heck on my server cluster there are multiple people known and black listed from parties. Specifically a warrior who shall remain in named who tomahawks the instant they arrive. It has changed nothing, they aren’t doing it for the rewards they’re doing it to deprive others of them. The communicate cannot effect this change, only SE can.

You can't just stand back and let them KO?