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    I am fairly certain that plenty of the people that Endwalker resonated with have in fact, experienced "real problems".
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    Quote Originally Posted by KariTheFox View Post
    I am fairly certain that plenty of the people that Endwalker resonated with have in fact, experienced "real problems".
    I’ve told people in real life about how EW tried to pull off its messaging. They were not appreciative of it. I do not believe that the people who defend its messaging have experienced loss in their lives or if they have they definitely didn’t process it like a normal human being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    I’ve told people in real life about how EW tried to pull off its messaging. They were not appreciative of it. I do not believe that the people who defend its messaging have experienced loss in their lives or if they have they definitely didn’t process it like a normal human being.
    I am 100% sure the way you told other people is a twisted version of what it really was. And people who like its story, myself included have experienced loss. You're pretty high up there if you think that. I have lost my father, mother, grandmother, 2 aunts, a cousin and 3 pets all in a span of 5 years. EW resonated with me *because* it showed loss but also showed hope, which was its main theme, so get off your dumb high horse that you're the ONLY ONE who understand what "loss" is and not anyone else, little boy.

    Also what is "normal human being"? EVERYONE experiences loss differently. If YOU truly experienced loss, you would know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    I’ve told people in real life about how EW tried to pull off its messaging. They were not appreciative of it. I do not believe that the people who defend its messaging have experienced loss in their lives or if they have they definitely didn’t process it like a normal human being.
    You want to go there, let's go there. I lost my aunt the first week of Endwalker, and found out during the cutscene with Venat after the trial. Less than a month later, I lost one of my uncles. The very next month (February 9th of this year), my father died. The expansion resonated with me after my aunt's death, and I'd say I'm far less of a train wreck I would have been with the deaths if not for how well they pulled off the expansion's themes. Also, you get an ignore from me for even daring to cross that fucking line, Aveyond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    You want to go there, let's go there. I lost my aunt the first week of Endwalker, and found out during the cutscene with Venat after the trial. Less than a month later, I lost one of my uncles. The very next month (February 9th of this year), my father died. The expansion resonated with me after my aunt's death, and I'd say I'm far less of a train wreck I would have been with the deaths if not for how well they pulled off the expansion's themes. Also, you get an ignore from me for even daring to cross that fucking line, Aveyond.
    I'm so sorry to hear about your loss Ryu

    Hell it wasn't so recent but I lost my mother four years ago from congestive heart failure and I got to watch her give up on her will to live as I was one of her care takers for almost 10 years. But a lot of endwalker resonated with me .
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    I’ve told people in real life about how EW tried to pull off its messaging. They were not appreciative of it. I do not believe that the people who defend its messaging have experienced loss in their lives or if they have they definitely didn’t process it like a normal human being.
    If I were to ask one of the Clinical Psychologists I work with to define "normal human being" I'm very confident they'd laugh at the absurdity of it. Frankly, as I said in my previous post, you're judging everyone by your standards, and that isn't a healthy mindset.

    Whether you like it or not, the basic premise - wallowing in despair being self-defeating - is a message that does resonate with some and it isn't for you to tell anyone that they're wrong/that it isn't 'normal' to feel that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    If I were to ask one of the Clinical Psychologists I work with to define "normal human being" I'm very confident they'd laugh at the absurdity of it. Frankly, as I said in my previous post, you're judging everyone by your standards, and that isn't a healthy mindset.

    Whether you like it or not, the basic premise - wallowing in despair being self-defeating - is a message that does resonate with some and it isn't for you to tell anyone that they're wrong/that it isn't 'normal' to feel that way.
    Yeah that's a pretty gross implication, and it baffles me someone can write that.
    Dismissing the loss and suffering of another because of their taste in storytelling ? Because a story about loss resonate with them ?

    Especially with the recents world events, i was fortunate enough to not lose anyone during covid, but my friend who lost his grandfather during that time, and then played Endwalker he felt a big connection to the story.
    Especially the ending with Meteion's message.

    And this is a sentiment that i've seen many times, not only with Endwalker, but other games about accepting loss, like Hellblade Senua Sacrifice.
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