[Question] Lootmaster etiquette sanity check

[san-toki]

There are 8 reclears and 8 coffers. One per player. Just how there are 8 chest pieces. Random weapons are a bonus. I see no problem with what happened.

This logic fundamentally makes no sense to me.

You have good RNG and get your BiS weapon early. Why does that entitle you to a second guaranteed weapon while everyone else only deserves one?

[Saraide]

This logic fundamentally makes no sense to me.

You have good RNG and get your BiS weapon early. Why does that entitle you to a second guaranteed weapon while everyone else only deserves one?

Two things:

What does your group intend to do with direct weapon drops that dont fit any of your main jobs?

It does entitle you to a second guaranteed weapon if that is agreed upon. It's the group leader's duty and responsibility to avoid confrontations like the one you are facing by solving them beforehand. You can also help an inexperienced group leader by bringing this question up before it becomes conflict material.

[san-toki]

The group is over, but we had a priority system set up for alt drops, ie each player indicated which job they'd like to play most outside of static. Funnily, the party lead is the only one whose preferred weapon dropped, and she also made up a rule on-the-fly once she saw it had dropped that she would just lootmaster it to herself instead of letting others roll on it. That one seemed somewhat fairer, because I'm a fan of weapons going to people who will actually use them, but it similarly sketched me out that this rule didn't exist until she saw her own weapon drop.

I've been passing everything I don't feel strongly about, so I'm not necessarily salty about the loot, but it feels very wrong to me that the person who has had the best luck has also been manipulating rules to suit her to give herself even more, while very thinly falling within the realm of reasonableness. None of these "rules" were ever mentioned until the moment she saw they would benefit her.

[Saraide]

It incentivizes people to not open their weapon coffer, making reclears harder.

That can also be talked about, either allowing it or disallowing it. Reclears do not become harder, they just dont become easier through a stronger weapon.

The group is over, but we had a priority system set up for alt drops, ie each player indicated which job they'd like to play most outside of static. Funnily, the party lead is the only one whose preferred weapon dropped, and she also made up a rule on-the-fly once she saw it had dropped that she would just lootmaster it to herself instead of letting others roll on it. That one seemed somewhat fairer, because I'm a fan of weapons going to people who will actually use them, but it similarly sketched me out that this rule didn't exist until she saw her own weapon drop.

I've been passing everything I don't feel strongly about, so I'm not necessarily salty about the loot, but it feels very wrong to me that the person who has had the best luck has also been manipulating rules to suit her to give herself even more, while very thinly falling within the realm of reasonableness. None of these "rules" were ever mentioned until the moment she saw they would benefit her.

Then you had a bad party leader.

[Azuri]

This logic fundamentally makes no sense to me.

You have good RNG and get your BiS weapon early. Why does that entitle you to a second guaranteed weapon while everyone else only deserves one?

Because the RNG factor here is the random weapon. Not the coffer, which is guaranteed. You don't deny someone a guaranteed drop because they happened to get a lucky random one.

An argument can be made about them having lower priority on other random weapons, like with the bow in your story. Provided there was any genuine contest on those (holding a weapon that was taken just so it doesn't fall on the floor over someones head on actually desirable loot is asinine).

[san-toki]

Because the RNG factor here is the random weapon. Not the coffer, which is guaranteed. You don't deny someone a guaranteed drop because they happened to get a lucky random one.

An argument can be made about them having lower priority on other random weapons, like with the bow in your story. Provided there was any genuine contest on those (holding a weapon that was taken just so it doesn't fall on the floor over someones head on actually desirable loot is asinine).

The base expectation of receiving a weapon coffer before you are BiS is that you open the weapon on your main job. The point is to get everyone their BiS weapon. The other seven people were forced to open the weapon coffer on their main job - why would the 8th person who got a direct drop of their BiS weapon have an expectation that they, but nobody else, deserve a having-fun coffer to open on whatever job they please? That seems glaringly unfair and selfish to me.

[Azuri]

The base expectation of receiving a weapon coffer before you are BiS is that you open the weapon on your main job. The point is to get everyone their BiS weapon. The other seven people were forced to open the weapon coffer on their main job - why would the 8th person who got a direct drop of their BiS weapon have an expectation that they, but nobody else, deserve a having-fun coffer to open on whatever job they please? That seems glaringly unfair and selfish to me.

If the expectation is for them to open it on their main job, then they essentially got screwed over by having their weapon drop twice. Once as their coffer and once as a random weapon.

Or you would have preferred if they passed on the random and waited for their coffer? Group DPS be damned.

The random weapon is inherently unfair. Which is exactly why it should never affect the disribution of fair loot like the coffer.

[san-toki]

If the expectation is for them to open it on their main job, then they essentially got screwed over by having their weapon drop twice. Once as their coffer and once as a random weapon.

Well now you're just being blatantly contrarian/nonsensical.

The person who received a BiS direct drop is on equal footing as the people who received a weapon coffer which they opened for their BiS. Our party lead was on equal footing as everyone who received a weapon coffer, because they, too, received their weapon. Drop or coffer does not matter if they are all going towards BiS. Everything past BiS should be FFA, and that is in fact the rule we had in place for literally everything other than this.