[Question] Lootmaster etiquette sanity check

[san-toki]

This is all about setting expectations correctly. There is no inherent problem with deciding to go 1 coffer per player, no matter which weapons drop. Some people may be fine with it, some wont. The important thing is to talk about it in advance and this is apperently where your group leader failed.

Yes, I agree. We had no such agreement; the party lead came up with this 5 minutes after clearing P7S for the last time. We previously had always adhered to "all non-BiS is FFA/Greed only."

[Chooty]

There is no inherent problem with deciding to go 1 coffer per player, no matter which weapons drop.

It incentivizes people to not open their weapon coffer, making reclears harder.

[Wolwosh]

Lootmaster is a good setting to ensure no loot goes to the floor imo. Has saved my group various loot otherwise lost to us.

Also trust goes both ways. Why bother if you can't trust the lootmaster, ya know.

My static just talks about it.
Greed to not let it anything drop to the floor, need if you want it for a job you play, ask if someone else wants it too.
We keep track of the needs so greedy people don't roll everything every week(been there done that)
If my static would need to lootmaster because of a greedy individual we would get rid of that person instead.

[Catwho]

My static just talks about it.
Greed to not let it anything drop to the floor, need if you want it for a job you play, ask if someone else wants it too.
We keep track of the needs so greedy people don't roll everything every week(been there done that)
If my static would need to lootmaster because of a greedy individual we would get rid of that person instead.

This is the way my static does it as well. We go in order of priority for loot. DPS BiS go first > Tank BiS next > Healer BiS > free for all. Tanks and healers greed just in case there was a miscommunication, until it goes FFA.

Lootmaster is an unnecessary setting if you view each other as part of a team. Their DPS improvements make me perform better, and vice versa.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

One thing I'd like to say to the Lootmaster conversation as someone who has lead and co-lead statics.

Being professional is difficult as a static leader, especially if you have limited or no experience, yet don't want to rely on another group fitting for you. I generally give people benefit of the doubt when being new to raid leading, because there is a lot of things to consider depending on what kind of group you want to create.

The biggest problem in general is communication and the sub-problem of people not being honest about their thoughts and ideas. A lot of things can be pre-planned nicely, but if you procrastinate with it you will end up in situations like many of you described where rules are made up on the fly rather than discussed early.

It is prudent to have an online loot sheet and actually reach an agreement to how loot is distributed with nothing left to interpretation.

I encourage both members and leaders alike to reach out to each other if things are unclear. That way if someone ACTUALLY walks out of line you have a clearer case.

[Saraide]

One thing I'd like to say to the Lootmaster conversation as someone who has lead and co-lead statics.

Being professional is difficult as a static leader, especially if you have limited or no experience, yet don't want to rely on another group fitting for you. I generally give people benefit of the doubt when being new to raid leading, because there is a lot of things to consider depending on what kind of group you want to create.

The biggest problem in general is communication and the sub-problem of people not being honest about their thoughts and ideas. A lot of things can be pre-planned nicely, but if you procrastinate with it you will end up in situations like many of you described where rules are made up on the fly rather than discussed early.

It is prudent to have an online loot sheet and actually reach an agreement to how loot is distributed with nothing left to interpretation.

I encourage both members and leaders alike to reach out to each other if things are unclear. That way if someone ACTUALLY walks out of line you have a clearer case.

Well said. I would like to add to that that actually writing down rules in an easily reachable place (like a seperate discord channel for example) can help your group a lot. Clarity and honesty are key to any healthy group dynamic. As always, every mistake can be used as a learning experience.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

She then simply gave it to herself and didn't let anyone else roll on it, citing a previously nonexistent rule that "everyone's supposed to get a coffer, and my weapon was a direct drop so it doesn't count."

Was this actually a non-existent rule, or was it written somewhere/said sometime earlier and you just didn't read/hear it?

Not to claim you were wrong, but we're only getting your side of the story here, and thus, you can easily tell little white lies in order to embellish yourself, thus I have to toss skepticism your way. If it was truly written / said nowhere, or no other directly written/spoken plans were made in advance about how this situation would play out, then it'd be a scummy thing to do, yes.

However, if the expectation was made at all that this is how this situation would be handled, then it isn't scummy by any means, it would have been the agreed expectation.

Again though, we only have your side of the story, so I've given information on both assumptions.

It is prudent to have an online loot sheet and actually reach an agreement to how loot is distributed with nothing left to interpretation.

But in the end, this is the best advice. You should understand everything about how loot is going to work in any static you join, and ask for clarification/communicate if things are unclear and make a decision if you want to join them once you have that information.

[san-toki]

I don't believe it was written anywhere, no. Our loot sheet has no indication of it, and the Discord channel just pointed to the spreadsheet.

As to lying - sure, I could lie, but I also don't see what that would accomplish. None of you know me, and I'm not able to discuss names or identities of team members here.

Not sure if this image will work, never posted on the forums before this thread.

Edit: it didn't, but here's the imgur of our spreadsheet with names blocked out https://imgur.com/vA7OPoR

[Jeeqbit]

Greed would have made better sense. Maybe the glowing effects are having an impact on how much people desire these weapons for glam and not just BiS. They probably didn't want to have to farm it later in pugs when it gets unlocked.

[LittleImp]

Lmao why are people defending someone in a couple-run static loot-mastering themselves a coffer. That's some epic contrarianism.

Yes, the person used their position to take a piece of loot they didn't really deserve. The reasonable objective of a group is to attain BiS for all of its members; it's completely irrelevant whether it drops randomly or comes from a coffer. Anything past that point should be FFA or subject to a new, previously agreed upon set of rules.