[Question] Lootmaster etiquette sanity check

[Nezerius]

Can those of you who are in statics who do this explain to me the logic of it? The members in your static who do not get a direct weapon drop have to open their weapon coffers on their main job, right? So why do you feel people who do get a lucky early direct drop also deserve a free guaranteed second weapon while the other members do not? Why wouldn’t the extra coffers be FFA?

I truly cannot wrap my mind around this system and it seems like half of this thread is split in that direction with the other half agreeing with me.

Having the rule that "Everyone gets a weapon and chest coffer, no matter what" is generally easier to be accepted by the entire static, rather than "Everyone gets a weapon and chest coffer, but only if they didn't get one as a drop".
The latter would also raise the question on if the 8th weapon coffer should always be FFA. After all, wouldn't the last player have enough books to purchase their BiS weapon, and no longer be required to open a coffer to obtain it?

The way my static handles it, is that everyone ends up with one of each coffer, with priority on coffers being given to players that don't have their BiS weapon yet. This is clearly communicated before a new tier even starts, both through voice and text.

The only thing I'd consider questionable about OP's situation, is if the static leader never actually clarified about the static's rules regarding weapon coffers. So this sounds more like a communication issue than anything else.

[san-toki]

"Everyone gets a weapon and chest coffer, but only if they didn't get one as a drop".

I think a simpler way to phrase this would be "everyone gets their BiS." Everyone gets BiS, and then the rest is FFA/by request.

But I do agree that both methods are viable if the static agrees to it; clearly I am biased towards thinking one way is fairer than the other. Mostly this thread was a vent that I made after our raid night was over, but it's been good hearing from both sides, for the most part.

At the end of the day, like it's been said, loot itself doesn't matter much. The tier is over in all meaningful aspects, and this gear will be pointless soon. I only log on for reclears lately anyhow. I suppose it was more the principle of the thing that felt like a slap in the face, a cherry on top of what I would describe as a very contentious and unfortunate few months of raiding.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I think a simpler way to phrase this would be "everyone gets their BiS." Everyone gets BiS, and then the rest is FFA/by request.

But I do agree that both methods are viable if the static agrees to it; clearly I am biased towards thinking one way is fairer than the other. Mostly this thread was a vent that I made after our raid night was over, but it's been good hearing from both sides, for the most part.

At the end of the day, like it's been said, loot itself doesn't matter much. The tier is over in all meaningful aspects, and this gear will be pointless soon. I only log on for reclears lately anyhow. I suppose it was more the principle of the thing that felt like a slap in the face, a cherry on top of what I would describe as a very contentious and unfortunate few months of raiding.

So let me understand this. we are comparing these two possibilities in a set of eight(8) clears:

DPS 1: 1x random weapon (ideally sub), 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
DPS 2: 1x random weapon (ideally sub), 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
DPS 3: 1x random weapon (ideally sub), 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
DPS 4: 1x random weapon (ideally sub), 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
Tank 1: 1x random weapon (ideally sub), 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
Tank 2: 1x random weapon (ideally sub), 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
Healer 1: 1x random weapon (ideally sub), 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
Healer 2: 1x random weapon (BIS), 1x weapon coffer (sub job)

VS

DPS 1: 1x random weapon, 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
DPS 2: 1x random weapon, 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
DPS 3: 1x random weapon, 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
DPS 4: 1x random weapon, 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
Tank 1: 1x random weapon, 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
Tank 2: 1x random weapon, 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
Healer 1: 1x random weapon, 2x weapon coffer (BIS + FFA)
Healer 2: 1x random BIS WEAPON, 0x weapon coffer (already got BIS)

In Scenario 1, everyone gets:
- 1x BIS weapon
- 1x non-main weapon

In Scenario 2, everyone gets:
- 1x BIS weapon by any means
- ?x Weapon coffers
- ?x random weapons

as ugly as it sounds, hypothetically in 8 clears, it could also look like this according to what I understood:

DPS 1: 1x random weapon, 2x weapon coffer (1 BIS, 1 FFA)
DPS 2: 1x random weapon, 2x weapon coffer (1 BIS, 1 FFA)
DPS 3: 1x random weapon, 2x weapon coffer (1 BIS, 1 FFA)
DPS 4: 1x random weapon, 2x weapon coffer (1 BIS, 1 FFA)
Tank 1: 1x random BIS WEAPON, 0x weapon coffer (because they already got BIS)
Tank 2: 1x random BIS WEAPON, 0x weapon coffer (because they already got BIS)
Healer 1: 1x random BIS WEAPON, 0x weapon coffer (because they already got BIS)
Healer 2: 1x random BIS WEAPON, 0x weapon coffer (because they already got BIS)

"Everyone got a BIS weapon and 8 books, so this is okay".

Both as a player and as a raid leader, I'd cringe if I would be okay with such a loot order. I would not lead a static with this rule and I'd refuse to raid with a static using this rule. Scenario 2 has the potential where multiple people can be loot goblins while others will be left with minimal reward. Simply speaking, for a standard 8-clear set, this is not a fair rule and anyone accepting to raid under such conditions has the potential to be exploited off their effort and time they bring to the raid static.

I highly recommend people to use party finder if you are at the stage where you want to be a loot goblin.

[Conadrium]

Sometimes people can’t play the role they want so I believe yes everyone should get a coffer. Her weapon is surely not the only one that dropped naturally, and it sounds like everyone else who won a weapon still got their coffee? Her being the 8th coffer doesn’t change that.

[SenorPatty]

Tonight was my (problem-riddled, unhappy) static's final night of reclears and I need a sanity check that what our lootmaster did with the loot was not okay.

Lootmaster won her BiS weapon on our second reclears. Everyone else had to open a coffer, leaving us with one spare weapon coffer on week 8. Every other non-BiS coffer from P5/6/7S was made Greed only - but she insisted this weapon coffer belonged to her. It seemed obvious to me the coffer should be FFA, since it wasn't BiS for anyone - everyone was already BiS.

She then simply gave it to herself and didn't let anyone else roll on it, citing a previously nonexistent rule that "everyone's supposed to get a coffer, and my weapon was a direct drop so it doesn't count."

Am I crazy, or is the general expectation that everyone in a static gets their BiS weapon, regardless of what form it drops in, not a weapon coffer? Everyone I've asked seems to agree that was a scummy thing to do, but she and her boyfriend in the static kept insisting it was right.

There's also incidents of her engineering our loot plan to give herself the chest coffer on week 3 or so of reclears and also just taking a BRD weapon drop for herself because "she had said she wanted it," but those seem more like grey areas than this.

You're crazy for joining a lootmaster party. No sane person does this, unless lootmaster is friend and/or guildmate. You've learned your lesson now: never join lootmaster party.

[RobynDaBank]

You're crazy for joining a lootmaster party. No sane person does this, unless lootmaster is friend and/or guildmate. You've learned your lesson now: never join lootmaster party.

You quote the entire post, but miss this in this first sentence? "Tonight was my (problem-riddled, unhappy) static's final night of reclears"

It was a static, lol...

[san-toki]

I'm realizing more and more that people on these forums cannot or do not read the things that they are replying to.

[Bsrking5]

You can't tell me with a static that you didn't know this wasn't gonna happen. The whole reason for a static with lootmaster is to plan loot. You see a loot goblin, get a different static.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

So just for clarity, everyone in the group each got 1 weapon coffer and 1 chest coffer?

If so, that seems pretty fair to me, it's a rule I have used in my static for years, without issue, everyone gets 1 weapon coffer and everyone gets 1 chest coffer, priority goes to DPS first, then tanks and healers, as a token of fairness, tanks and healers would get dibs on the mount first.

If someone gets their BiS weapon via random drop, then they go to the back of the queue, because it's impossible to predict or plan for RNG other than move people to the back or the queue, but otherwise shouldn't screw people out of their fair share of loot.

Leftover weapons not needed for BiS are free roll where people at least have the job levelled that they can equip it unless someone specifically asked as they play said job.