[Question] Lootmaster etiquette sanity check

[Azuri]

Lmao why are people defending someone in a couple-run static loot-mastering themselves a coffer. That's some epic contrarianism.

Yes, the person used their position to take a piece of loot they didn't really deserve. The reasonable objective of a group is to attain BiS for all of its members; it's completely irrelevant whether it drops randomly or comes from a coffer. Anything past that point should be FFA or subject to a new, previously agreed upon set of rules.

Because leaving anything non-BiS to complete ffa is a great way to generate grudges between those who roll well and those who don't. Generally doesn't matter too much for everything else but weapons and chest pieces are better distributed somewhat evenly.

[LittleImp]

Because leaving anything non-BiS to complete ffa is a great way to generate grudges between those who roll well and those who don't. Generally doesn't matter too much for everything else but weapons and chest pieces are better distributed somewhat evenly.

Rolls are just RNG. If people are going to cry about it, the group can come to a consensus about a secondary loot distribution plan. Every group I've run in since HW has done FFA after hitting bis with people making requests here and there for specific things; I've never seen anyone form a grudge or throw a fit over it, but I guess that all depends on the maturity of the people in your group.

You know what really generates grudges and angry forum posts though? Abusing your position and lootmastering yourself items without a group consensus.

[SamsonBlacke]

Because leaving anything non-BiS to complete ffa is a great way to generate grudges between those who roll well and those who don't. Generally doesn't matter too much for everything else but weapons and chest pieces are better distributed somewhat evenly.

and stealing a coffer would lead to less grudges? It's a MMO. FFA rolls for loots is common and expected from the genre.

[Xaphire]

The group I raid with right now had/has loot go to main job BiS first, everyone has a declared off-job which once no one needs for main it gets distributed based on off-job BiS, and then it just goes to FFA, with everyone guaranteed 1x chest and 1x weapon coffer from P8S (once we beat it aaaaaa).

Loot distribution has been pretty fair thusfar, don't really foresee issues moving forward either. But basically, if by luck someone's weapon drops, they just get moved to the back of the line for their coffer drop.

[Nyxs]

You need a new static especially if this isnt the first time. Stealing loot from your group who has worked equally hard to get it is scummy.

[SaberMaxwell]

The group I raid with right now had/has loot go to main job BiS first, everyone has a declared off-job which once no one needs for main it gets distributed based on off-job BiS, and then it just goes to FFA, with everyone guaranteed 1x chest and 1x weapon coffer from P8S (once we beat it aaaaaa).

Loot distribution has been pretty fair thusfar, don't really foresee issues moving forward either. But basically, if by luck someone's weapon drops, they just get moved to the back of the line for their coffer drop.

Specifically on the topic of loot distribution:

I agree and the way my group handles it is the same; if your weapon drops you are moved to the back of the line for loot, as it were. Important thing to note is by week 8 though they'll still have been given a guaranteed coffer.

Sounds like this was week 3 of clears, rereading OP, so what they did was scummy.

[san-toki]

Specifically on the topic of loot distribution:

I agree and the way my group handles it is the same; if your weapon drops you are moved to the back of the line for loot, as it were. Important thing to note is by week 8 though they'll still have been given a guaranteed coffer.

Sounds like this was week 3 of clears, rereading OP, so what they did was scummy.

Can those of you who are in statics who do this explain to me the logic of it? The members in your static who do not get a direct weapon drop have to open their weapon coffers on their main job, right? So why do you feel people who do get a lucky early direct drop also deserve a free guaranteed second weapon while the other members do not? Why wouldn’t the extra coffers be FFA?

I truly cannot wrap my mind around this system and it seems like half of this thread is split in that direction with the other half agreeing with me.

[Saraide]

Can those of you who are in statics who do this explain to me the logic of it? The members in your static who do not get a direct weapon drop have to open their weapon coffers on their main job, right? So why do you feel people who do get a lucky early direct drop also deserve a free guaranteed second weapon while the other members do not? Why wouldn’t the extra coffers be FFA?

I truly cannot wrap my mind around this system and it seems like half of this thread is split in that direction with the other half agreeing with me.

A possible explanation to me is that everyone is owed one coffer and one random weapon drop (for alt jobs for example). If you go purely by BiS you can have situations where someone gets their weapon early and then gets no coffer, whereas someone who got their coffer early and then also a random weapon drop they want for an alt job has two weapons now.

For our static we're just gonna do extra reclears at some point to satisfy everyone's glamouring needs so what we do with those leftover coffers from the first 8 doesnt actually matter.

[SenseiMaria]

Can those of you who are in statics who do this explain to me the logic of it? The members in your static who do not get a direct weapon drop have to open their weapon coffers on their main job, right? So why do you feel people who do get a lucky early direct drop also deserve a free guaranteed second weapon while the other members do not? Why wouldn’t the extra coffers be FFA?

I truly cannot wrap my mind around this system and it seems like half of this thread is split in that direction with the other half agreeing with me.

Because at the end of the day, it's luck, it's not worth trying to sweat over accounting for it when 'everyone gets 1x free coffer' sets a precedent and anything extra is just a bonus from lady luck.

That, and especially if a group formed only for 8 clears and then disband ( which I see plenty of on the various recruitment reddits), why should someone be punished with a forced weapon choice when they might want to hang onto the coffer for a guaranteed weapon choice when they might want to switch jobs? If they get the direct BRD bow drop, it does nothing if they wanted to say, switch to DRG.

Before I had to quit the static due to IRL, my old group I ran with had done 'everyone gets 1x free coffer, if you get lucky with a random weapon drop you just get your coffer last for increasing damage purposes of the whole static faster' for several tiers and it always worked perfectly. Some tiers people would get lucky, some tiers they wouldn't. In the end, all this gear becomes irrelevant the nanosecond the next ilvl tier upgrade comes out, its such wasted energy to be trying to go on a moral crusade about it. The only thing that matters is what the group decides when they make the expectations on how loot will be handled, not what any particular person thinks.

[san-toki]

No one was forced to play an off-job due to weapon drops. That isn't the premise of the thread. The decision also was made randomly on the last night of reclears; this wasn't a system anyone agreed to.