Paladin Updates

[Rydin]

You are making up numbers here. 45 secs of every minute? Divine Veil is forced Blocks, not 100% mitigated blocks. You could take 500dmg instead of 600 on a hit, it will just be blocked. To be sure we would have to wait for the servers going up and tests being made.

Enmity wise...Rampart, are you kidding me, biggest hate puller in the game?

I'll give you simple and straight facts for this.

PLD Hate Abilities:

Fast/Flat Blade Combo
Sentinel(raises Enmity generated by other actions)
Rampart
Provoke
Flash
Holy Succor(considering you actually heal yourself, not overheal)

That's it.

Now WAR:

Heavy Swing/Skull Sunder Combo(not to forget Steel Cyclone)
Provoke
Flash
Rampart(oh wait WAR has access to Rampart, the biggest hate puller in the game O.o)
Sentinel
Antagonize(same as Sentinel, raises enmity generated by other actions)
Collusion(gets you the hate of the next action performed by your target close to you, which on a Blindside Dragon Kick just kills PLD alone)

So....the only difference between WAR and PLD hate abilities is Holy Succor...awesome...

To even show you how much better WAR is I'll show you his other advantages...

WAR:

Second Wind(heal yourself for roughly 500HP), since no cast time you actually heal yourself everytime you need to be healed and get enmity for it
Vengeance(counter dmg done to you)
Featherfoot(guaranteed Evade)
Foresight(guaranteed Parry)

While PLD got:

Aegis Boon(guaranteed Block)
Hallowed Ground(15 sec 0 physical dmg)

I can clearly see the advantages of PLD over WAR...especially hate wise, since WAR has access to all PLD hate abilities, while PLD get's Provoke...awesome! JUST AWESOME! You opened my eyes, PLD is the tank for hate!

I'm not sure if you know what AOE means... but AOE rampart is indeed the biggest hate puller.. and no... WAR doesn't have that

[TirionCrey]

I'm not sure if you know what AOE means... but AOE rampart is indeed the biggest hate puller.. and no... WAR doesn't have that

I know what AoE means, and even if AoE Rampart generates more hate due to more people getting hit by it, it doesn't change the fact that it's not even nearly the biggest hate puller...not even close...a stupid Provoke generates more hate then Rampart, so does Flash, so does our Enmity Combo...so does almost anything hate related in the game...

Simple test. Group of mobs...let a BLM Firaga or Flare them. Use Rampart, you won't even get yellow on them. Use Provoke/Flash and it goes yellow, using both it goes red.

Now the best part about this. On WAR use Collusion on the BLM before he uses Firaga/Flare...all mobs blinking red for you...what's better?

And just to counter the stupid arguments that you won't Collusion a BLM mid fight...yeah we won't cause he's out of range for us to get the hate effect, since your target needs to be close to you.

Idk how others do it, but whoever is MNK in my group, I annoucne Collusion CD is gonna be up in a few seconds, MNK replies with whenever he is ready for his Dragon Kick combo and right before Blindside Dragon Kick I use Collusion on him. This alone is worth more then 4 Ramparts used in a row...

Nobody ever denied that PLD get's his shit done as well...the fact is that WAR get's it done better in each and every single part of being a tank.

[Phobos]

I know what AoE means, and even if AoE Rampart generates more hate due to more people getting hit by it, it doesn't change the fact that it's not even nearly the biggest hate puller...not even close...a stupid Provoke generates more hate then Rampart, so does Flash, so does our Enmity Combo...so does almost anything hate related in the game...

Simple test. Group of mobs...let a BLM Firaga or Flare them. Use Rampart, you won't even get yellow on them. Use Provoke/Flash and it goes yellow, using both it goes red.

Now the best part about this. On WAR use Collusion on the BLM before he uses Firaga/Flare...all mobs blinking red for you...what's better?

And just to counter the stupid arguments that you won't Collusion a BLM mid fight...yeah we won't cause he's out of range for us to get the hate effect, since your target needs to be close to you.

Idk how others do it, but whoever is MNK in my group, I annoucne Collusion CD is gonna be up in a few seconds, MNK replies with whenever he is ready for his Dragon Kick combo and right before Blindside Dragon Kick I use Collusion on him. This alone is worth more then 4 Ramparts used in a row...

Nobody ever denied that PLD get's his shit done as well...the fact is that WAR get's it done better in each and every single part of being a tank.

And here I go triple posting...

I would be much more apt to use Cover a lot if it did something comparable to Collusion. Right now it feels like If I use cover and the person I covered does something stupid I could die. I'd rather just toss them a succor (my opinion of succor has changed drastically overnight) and keep us both safe.